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    Polar Ice Caps Inceased Size in past 20 years!

    The following is a point I made on the thread The Insidious Change.ie and it warrants it's own title to make the point of how we are continually being lied to.
    Practically 100% of you probably think the Ice caps decreased in size in recent years when in fact the opposite was the case:

    From 1986 to 2006 the polar ICE CAPS ACTUALLY INCREASED in size:

    ARTIC ICE Feb 1986 TOTAL AREA 12.5million Sq Km, Feb 2006 12.3million Sq Km
    ANTARTIC Aug 1986 TOTAL AREA 13.4million Sq Km Aug 2006 14.5 million Sq km


    Source for above figures: US National Snow and Ice Data Centre

    THAT MAKES IT A NET INCREASE OF 900,000 Sq kilometers of polar ice.

    So over this 20 year time slot one Ice Cap decreased in size by 1.6% while the other ice cap increased in size by 8.2%.

    See following Sea Ice Concentration data:
    Artic
    [img]ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/DATASETS/NOAA/G02135/Feb/N_200602_conc.png[/img]


    [img]ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/DATASETS/NOAA/G02135/Feb/N_198602_conc.png[/img]

    Antartic



    [img]ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/DATASETS/NOAA/G02135/Aug/S_198608_conc.png[/img]
    [img]ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/DATASETS/NOAA/G02135/Aug/S_200608_conc.png[/img]

    And for Feb 2008, Sea Ice Concentration has exceeded 1986 levels.
    [img]ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/DATASETS/NOAA/G02135/Feb/N_200802_conc.png[/img]
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    Re: Polar Ice Caps Inceased Size in past 20 years!

    So your new theory is that it was the polar ice caps that were responsible for 9/11?

    Or have you finally giving up dreaming up conspiracy theories about 9/11 and posting them here?
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    Re: Polar Ice Caps Inceased Size in past 20 years!

    Quote Originally Posted by NotDevsSon
    So your new theory is that it was the polar ice caps that were responsible for 9/11?

    Or have you finally giving up dreaming up conspiracy theories about 9/11 and posting them here?
    When my detractors on the subject of Global Warming find themselves in a bit of a corner they generally use some other angle to try to discredit what I'm saying. If you feel out of your depth NotDev, it's no disgrace. May I suggest you stick to History you are the best on this site by far.

    On 9/11, I've covered that. I know it's a fraud and so do most scientists who can get out a calculator. But it's hard to cover up millions of years of climate history where we had CO2 up 10 times what it is today and it didn't drive the temperature of the planet. No amount of media spin and indoctrination can subvert science especially when the planet is showing signs of global cooling.
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    Re: Polar Ice Caps Inceased Size in past 20 years!

    Two things. Firstly, do you now withdraw the article you posted as fact on the "Insidious Change.ie" thread?

    Secondly, why do you equate area with size? Are there any other dimensions that ice has?
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    Re: Polar Ice Caps Inceased Size in past 20 years!

    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny's Soldier
    ...especially when the planet is showing signs of global cooling.
    You've made that claim before, and it turned out that you were using US figures instead of global figures. Go on, provide your source.
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    Re: Polar Ice Caps Inceased Size in past 20 years!

    Quote Originally Posted by Pidge
    Secondly, why do you equate area with size? Are there any other dimensions that ice has?
    If the ice was disintegrating then it would look more spread out. Do you have figures for ice mass, Destinys Soldier?
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    Re: Polar Ice Caps Inceased Size in past 20 years!

    Quote Originally Posted by Pidge
    Quote Originally Posted by Destiny's Soldier
    ...especially when the planet is showing signs of global cooling.
    You've made that claim before, and it turned out that you were using US figures instead of global figures. Go on, provide your source.
    Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on.

    No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.

    A compiled list of all the sources can be seen here. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C -- a value large enough to wipe out most of the warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year's time. For all four sources, it's the single fastest temperature change ever recorded, either up or down.

    Scientists quoted in a past DailyTech article link the cooling to reduced solar activity which they claim is a much larger driver of climate change than man-made greenhouse gases. The dramatic cooling seen in just 12 months time seems to bear that out. While the data doesn't itself disprove that carbon dioxide is acting to warm the planet, it does demonstrate clearly that more powerful factors are now cooling it.

    Let's hope those factors stop fast. Cold is more damaging than heat. The mean temperature of the planet is about 54 degrees. Humans -- and most of the crops and animals we depend on -- prefer a temperature closer to 70.

    Historically, the warm periods such as the Medieval Climate Optimum were beneficial for civilization. Corresponding cooling events such as the Little Ice Age, though, were uniformly bad news.


    http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature%2B ... 0866.htm?a
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    Re: Polar Ice Caps Inceased Size in past 20 years!

    Quote Originally Posted by C&AG
    Quote Originally Posted by Pidge
    Secondly, why do you equate area with size? Are there any other dimensions that ice has?
    If the ice was disintegrating then it would look more spread out. Do you have figures for ice mass, Destinys Soldier?
    The mass in this case is the ratio of ice to sea water and that is displayed on the right of the image in % terms.
    We are comparing like with like in the years '86 to '06. It's hard scientific fact which cannot be dismissed.

    Size and Area is just a way of saying the same thing. Area is 2D, Size is 3D. No big deal.
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    Re: Polar Ice Caps Inceased Size in past 20 years!

    Do you know how those %figures were obtained though - from satellite imaging, through weighing the ice on the ground, how? I'm concerned that if it was satellite imaging then a cold pound of butter covers one area but a melting half pound seen from the ceiling would cover a much larger area.
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    Re: Polar Ice Caps Inceased Size in past 20 years!

    Quote Originally Posted by C&AG
    Do you know how those %figures were obtained though - from satellite imaging, through weighing the ice on the ground, how? I'm concerned that if it was satellite imaging then a cold pound of butter covers one area but a melting half pound seen from the ceiling would cover a much larger area.
    All very good. See for yourselves on the weblink below which showns the trend of the Artic Vs the Antartic. If there is anyone here who knows John Gormley maybe you might point it out to him. And also to madam at the Irish Times.
    Pretty difficult to refute.


    http://www.nsidc.org/cgi-bin/bist/bist. ... s=no_panel
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