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    Quote Originally Posted by middleground View Post
    New figures show the meters have helped make big reductions in leakage but ordinary households using a little more https://www.irishexaminer.com/breaki...16-861187.html

    Still looks like there are plenty of domestic leaks to be fixed https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpub...nsumption2016/
    Well at least they are using the meters to identify usage and identify leaks.

    That is a positive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Man or Mouse View Post
    Correct. The way in which water charges were introduced was appalling.

    Having conceded that, we do need them and LPT and also to develop a culture of long term maintenance of ALL vital infrastructure. None of these should be political footballs for either government, opposition or governed. The big problem now is getting from where we are to where we should be. It will take true leadership to take us to that point, but we do need to get there. All issues on here, pertaining to families in cars, tents or Garda stations, people on trolleys, even going back to the humble pothole, stem from the fact, that everything has to be paid for. Something the Commies on here and their mouthpiece, Murphy, keep forgetting, or choose to forget.
    Leave water free and ring fence a new tax towards water / infrastructure.

    How much was "expected" to be raised from residential properties in water charges ?
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    Yes it was a mistake. People voted for FG in 2011 on a platform of water charging, a policy brought in by FF, then FF were agin' it when the protests started. It's the only sensible way to pay for the system.
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    In the past twenty years, is there evidence of any investment in water?

    is there a plan to build more water storage units so when it rains we can save water?

    Have developers not got an onus to ensure a supply before they build.?

    Are we the only country in the world that treats all our water instead of just drinking water. we do operate a two tap system but yet the hot water comes from the same source as the cold . ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roll_On View Post
    Yes it was a mistake. People voted for FG in 2011 on a platform of water charging, a policy brought in by FF, then FF were agin' it when the protests started. It's the only sensible way to pay for the system.
    Only, the FG quango, even with full compliance, wouldn't have brought in enough cash to cover it's admin costs....

    I was driving to work all this week and there was a major leak on the road near Rush, Co. Dublin.
    Coming back yesterday and there was a JCB and 4 lorries/vans and about 12 guys addressing the problem.
    Every single van was a Fingal Counnty Council van.

    No sign of anyone from the IW quango at all.

    What a scam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattarigna View Post
    This summer, Ireland has experienced a historic drought, and while we didn't have to do anything as drastic as rationing water or anything, it's pretty clear that our water infrastructure is starved for investment, both for investigating leaks, and for updating the pipe network and such.

    Around half of all water that's treated for drinking is wasted via leaks, and at the current rate of inspection, it would take literally 100 years for all the pipes in the system to get inspected and replaced (source).

    The reality is that upgrading our water infrastructure will probably be a long-term project that is going to need consistent funding. Funding that I think could have been provided by a system of water charges, similar to what exist in virtually all other developed countries, and which exist for the parts of the population where local community schemes still oversee the water supply - and who are basically subsidising the cost of water infrastructure maintenance for everyone else as a result.
    Yes, it was. And no, it was not.

    In theory it was a bad move in regards to water saving, system sustainability etc.

    In practice, the moron Irish anti water charges brigade could take down the whole government causing much more trouble than what we have now.

    So I guess, the government gave people what they wanted. The people were moron though.
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    Yes it was a mistake, Digicel would not be in dire straits now if they had been brought in to help the FG benefactor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbohane View Post
    Yes it was a mistake, Digicel would not be in dire straits now if they had been brought in to help the FG benefactor.
    Careful there bud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fr. Ted Crilly View Post
    Only, the FG quango, even with full compliance, wouldn't have brought in enough cash to cover it's admin costs....

    I was driving to work all this week and there was a major leak on the road near Rush, Co. Dublin.
    Coming back yesterday and there was a JCB and 4 lorries/vans and about 12 guys addressing the problem.
    Every single van was a Fingal Counnty Council van.

    No sign of anyone from the IW quango at all.

    What a scam.
    There's some weird symbiosis at work. In some areas IW do the work, in many, CC workers are seconded to IW to fix things until such time as they either fully transfer or cease to work for the council, which is supposed to be 2025. The majority will do the latter. That nonsense was the scam!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hammer View Post
    Leave water free and ring fence a new tax towards water / infrastructure.

    How much was "expected" to be raised from residential properties in water charges ?
    LPT is a more likely source of funding. At 97% compliance it's almost a gimme!
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