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    Quote Originally Posted by middleground View Post
    Certainly, the quantity of water leaked will increase. If the higher volumes into the mains widen existing leaks and create more leaks then the leak rate may also increase. Have you any calculations to disprove that as a possibility?



    You got the easily achieved thing from your own head because I did not say or imply it. Can you tell us how much of the reduction was due to the first-fix scheme as opposed to repairs to the mains or reducing water pressure to reduce leaks without actually repairing them? In the first-fix scheme the meter has identified the leak down to a couple of metres between the meter and the house so no big challenge to fix these.



    There are well over 800,000 domestic meters which is over 60% of public water supply customers. The Government has the powers to reintroduce direct water charges just as it has the power to use the other point I mentioned about developing other strong cities in Ireland so as to slow down the expansion of Dublin. By the way I expect much of the future expansion in Dublin will be by building apartments which have much lower water consumption. Have you factored a change in living style from houses to apartments into your future demand calculations?



    Wasteful consumption is mainly leakage. You would fix the leakage and other customers would not have to reduce their consumption. The average consumption figures are 50% higher than they should be because of leakage.



    Tell me what was ill-informed nonsense?
    This is handball off a haystack stuff. You seem to be labouring under the misconception that both leak reduction is far easier and cheaper than it is and that we are not dangerously short of water in Dublin. There's a reason why every engineering body in the country is behind this project. Why? Because it is the most cost effective way of sorting the problem. Simple as that. It leak reduction was cheaper and easier guess what? We'd favour that!

    I really don't have the time or inclination to engage in tit for tat with someone who's knowledge of the subject doesn't extend beyond google searching.
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    Power showers in every en-suite have their consequences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveM View Post
    This is handball off a haystack stuff. You seem to be labouring under the misconception that both leak reduction is far easier and cheaper than it is and that we are not dangerously short of water in Dublin. There's a reason why every engineering body in the country is behind this project. Why? Because it is the most cost effective way of sorting the problem. Simple as that. It leak reduction was cheaper and easier guess what? We'd favour that!

    I really don't have the time or inclination to engage in tit for tat with someone who's knowledge of the subject doesn't extend beyond google searching.
    So for the second time you have no answers to my questions and yet you tell us you an expert in this area?

    How was the reduction in the leak rate claimed by Irish Water achieved? Was it by simply by reducing water pressure combined with savings through the first-fix scheme? Was any net progress made on repairs to the mains?

    What are the future forecast demands and are a change in lifestyle to more people living in apartments factored in? Do you accept consumption per apartment is much lower than consumption per house because of almost no leaks on the customer side?

    Do you accept fixing all major leaks on the customer side would substantially reduce consumption as suggested by the CSO figures for 2015?

    What has been happening in consumption trends? The OP quoted 2015 figures, can you find any more recent figures on the Irish Water website or are the meters still being read?

    Telling us that engineers support of the Shannon pipeline is proof that it is the best solution is like telling us that bankers were in support of the bail-out because it was the best solution.

    You seem like a stereotypical engineer, you can build a road or bridge or pipeline but you have no idea why they need to be built
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    Quote Originally Posted by middleground View Post
    Do you accept fixing all major leaks on the customer side would substantially reduce consumption as suggested by the CSO figures for 2015?
    So what? What is the point in spending money fixing leaks, if one gets a better return spending money producing more water?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wascurito View Post
    Figures released by the Irish Times show how water consumption per capita is highest in affluent areas of Dublin and tends to below average in the less well-off areas, in some cases 40% lower.

    So poorer people use less water but still have to contribute via taxes regardless of how little they use. Meanwhile the leaders of the anti-water charges campaign such as Paul Murphy and Richard Boyd Barrett are from wealthy areas of Dublin. What a coincidence!

    So not only does their economic class benefit, but Murphy, Rich Boy et al managed to dupe a lot of mugs into thinking that they were the ones who'd win under a no charges regime.

    In a country known for stroke politics, that stroke beats them all.

    Water consumption rates highest in affluent areas of Dublin
    Affluent people are more hygenic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nermal View Post
    So what? What is the point in spending money fixing leaks, if one gets a better return spending money producing more water?
    Have you any figures comparing the options?
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    What will the smell be like on the buses coming in from these areas where people have stopped washing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Field Marshal View Post
    What will the smell be like on the buses coming in from these areas where people have stopped washing?
    Buses have windows
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    Quote Originally Posted by hammer View Post
    Buses have windows
    Even so most people from these areas are too lazy to open them.
    (You would know this if you travelled on any of them in wintertime.)

    Even if they do open them the stench from the many unwashed passengers will still be overpowering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Field Marshal View Post
    Even so most people from these areas are too lazy to open them.
    (You would know this if you travelled on any of them in wintertime.)

    Even if they do open them the stench from the many unwashed passengers will still be overpowering.
    I have my leap card and use Dublin Bus weekly

    Its the boogie buses I fear about.
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