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    Bizzar. Why not ban foreign oil? or at least ban oil from countries that are operating brutal oppressive regimes, Saudi, the UK, the US for example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roll_On View Post
    Bizzar. Why not ban foreign oil? or at least ban oil from countries that are operating brutal oppressive regimes, Saudi, the UK, the US for example.
    lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverharp View Post
    on average though the western shelf is very fractured apparently , there is no north sea out there
    This is of course nonsense. The entire coast from the northwest to the celtic sea in the south and round up to the Irish Sea has shows of oil. It is a piece of childish propaganda to suggest that this doesn't indicate oil in relative or absolute abundance off our shores but rather we are peculiarly cursed by 'faulting' and, yet agin, poor old Ireland without an arse in its trousers just isn't lucky. Nor are we lucky in gold, which we have, nor in silver, which we have. Nor in precious gems, which we have. Nor in coal, which we have in relative abundance. Nor in iron, which we have in absolute abundance. Nor in manganese, which we have. Nor in limestone, granite or shale, which we have.

    And sure we didn't develop our fish, so we are told, because we only ate it on Fridays.

    The alternative - and actual - explanation is that the development of Ireland as an independent economic and political unit is not desired and not allowed. Especially so as the only non-NATO member of the North Atlantic with a strong anti-imperialist tradition. That is why the British armed a certain portion of the population to turn guns and artillery against the more progressive elements of our country - to maintain the country in a state of undeveloped post-colonial backwardness.
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    I wonder has she thought about all the derivatives from crude like plastics and fertiliser ? I suppose we're lucky to have Arab oil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverharp View Post
    lol
    The UK, the US and their oil companies are extremely oppressive to the people of Iraq and Afghanistan. Having completely stripped them of their natural resources.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Civic_critic2 View Post
    This is of course nonsense. The entire coast from the northwest to the celtic sea in the south and round up to the Irish Sea has shows of oil. It is a piece of childish propaganda to suggest that this doesn't indicate oil in relative or absolute abundance off our shores but rather we are peculiarly cursed by 'faulting' and, yet agin, poor old Ireland without an arse in its trousers just isn't lucky. Nor are we lucky in gold, which we have, nor in silver, which we have. Nor in precious gems, which we have. Nor in coal, which we have in relative abundance. Nor in iron, which we have in absolute abundance. Nor in manganese, which we have. Nor in limestone, granite or shale, which we have.

    And sure we didn't develop our fish, so we are told, because we only ate it on Fridays.

    The alternative - and actual - explanation is that the development of Ireland as an independent economic and political unit is not desired and not allowed. Especially so as the only non-NATO member of the North Atlantic with a strong anti-imperialist tradition. That is why the British armed a certain portion of the population to turn guns and artillery against the more progressive elements of our country - to maintain the country in a state of undeveloped post-colonial backwardness.
    show me the money, Ireland has been through 2 oil bull markets now and the best international brains havnt come up with anything worth getting excited about
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roll_On View Post
    The UK, the US and their oil companies are extremely oppressive to the people of Iraq and Afghanistan. Having completely stripped them of their natural resources.
    For example ? Far as I remember the Chinese signed the first oil deal put forward by the independent Iraqi government.

    Here's a list.

    List of International Oil Companies in Iraq | Iraq Business News
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverharp View Post
    show me the money, Ireland has been through 2 oil bull markets now and the best international brains havnt come up with anything worth getting excited about
    Go read the industry literature, it is full of claims which completely contradict the horsesh1t peddled by the political class. Similarly the geophysics analyses and the results of drilling - many oil shows. They are keeping Ireland in reserve but disallowing any independent development of the country. And they have the political class, whose record over a century demonstrates their reactionary viciousness, in their pockets.

    We have been through this at length before, the threads are somewhere in the archive. The arguments used about oil around the Irish coast are the same arguments put forward about the lack of coal in Ireland. I therefore went to find out the facts about the alleged lack of coal in Ireland, in fact Ireland has many coalfields, coal has been found in 20 of the 32 counties, the kind of coal found in Ireland ranges across all types from lignite to bituminous to very high quality anthracite and the coalfields are the same in their potential as the British coalfields; for example, most British coalfields were beginning to be exhausted from the beginning of the 19th century and the British had to dig down to 3 times the depth to find more coal. It was this latter, deeper coal that ran their industrial revolution throughout the 19th century.

    The arguments against the existence of Irish oil run along the same lines as the arguments aginst the existence of Irish coal. They are propaganda aiming to justify the non-development of the country by fooling the people with misinformation and popularly propagated myths.
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    Seriously wasted a couple of hours this afternoon watching a Dail debate on a PBP bill which will ban any further oil/gas exploration licences being issued in Irish offshore areas. Every party in the Dail lined up (except FG) to support the bill, every speaker trying to outdo the previous one with indignation and passion about the need to cut carbon emissions. Classic gesture politics, the pharisees lining up to boast how they are not like other sinners. In reality, in the last 50+ years of offshore exploration, there have been 3 marginally commercial gas finds, Kinsale, another nearby and the Corrib so its unlikely the shares of Exxon, Shell or BP will take a major hit if the law is passed. Much praise for the French govt who have a similar ban for French waters, although Total will not be closed down, nor will it stop exploring for nor producing oil in Africa or elsewhere. In fairness, the left wing city TDs all complained about the cattle herd but neither the SF TD for Laois nor the FF TD for Kildare suggested stopping turf cutting nor burning it for electricity. If we could harvest the hot air and methane produced in Leinster House, we could make a real impact on carbon emissions.
    I had posted previously on climate change thread.
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    A classic case of cutting off your nose to spite your face, whilst expecting other states to do the dirty work and provide energy. Bunch of wafflers and wasters.
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