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    Sister Mercedes Sister Mercedes is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toland View Post
    And the monkeys in Washington still deny anthropogenic global warming.
    They don't dispute the warming. They dispute the cause. Look at the devastation that nature managed all by itself before there was any man made pollution.

    It has been accepted that the eruption of Toba led to a volcanic winter with a worldwide decrease in temperature between 3 to 5 C (5.4 to 9.0 F), and up to 15 C (27 F) in higher latitudes.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Toba
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Walsh View Post
    A lunatic Muslim stabs some poor unfortunate people and it's
    "wake up you idiots, this is the end of civilization, are you blind, they are destroying the world, we need to act now"

    Two of the most powerful hurricanes in history strike within 2 weeks of each other causing death and devastation in the 10s and the same idiots
    "Nothing to do with climate change or global warming, all a big globalist myth, stop being hysterical"
    What an irredeemably stupid post. Whataboutery has just reached new depths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sister Mercedes View Post
    They don't dispute the warming. They dispute the cause. Look at the devastation that nature managed all by itself before there was any man made pollution.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Toba
    Scientists are NOT saying that climate change is the cause of hurricanes like Harvey and Irma. The causes are the same as they are without climate change.

    What they are saying is that the "upper thermodynamic limit" for the wind speed of a storm will rise, so that there may be the same amount of storms, or even less, but they will have potential to be of greater intensity. Storm intensity is what will do the damage.

    Together with the storm surge of such cyclones, and higher sea levels, and more water vapour in the air (e.g. the massive precipitation of Harvey), the potential for flooding coastal and low-lying areas is greatly magnified.

    These trends have been observed, though not at a statistically significant level (opinions differ). To wait for "statistical significance" (which is arbitrary anyway) would be reckless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sister Mercedes View Post
    They don't dispute the warming. They dispute the cause. Look at the devastation that nature managed all by itself before there was any man made pollution.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Toba
    By the way, may climate change deniers still deny the planet is warming - some say global average temperature has even "stalled", or cooled, in the face of evidence to the contrary.

    The "hoax" accusation is still being flung around at random.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sister Mercedes View Post
    They don't dispute the warming. They dispute the cause. Look at the devastation that nature managed all by itself before there was any man made pollution.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Toba
    Did you notice the word "anthropogenic". I wrote it. I'm looking at it now.

    Volcanos do indeed cause immense climate change. But the climate change we're experiencing is not volcanic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trampas View Post
    What an irredeemably stupid post. Whataboutery has just reached new depths.
    I don't think you understand the term "whataboutery". Poster Jack is not trying engage in apologetics for the misdeeds of people he supports by drawing attention to the misdeeds of others. He's pointing out a glaring inconstency in neo-conservative and alt-right thinking.
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    Classic fake headline.

    Only by calling Irma an "Atlantic" hurricance, does it get to be the "strongest ever".

    All of the bigger historical hurricanes get reclassified as "Carribean".

    In fact, all hurricanes are Atlantic hurricanes and start out as tropical Atlantic depressions close to the Cape Verde island and move with the trade winds towards the Carribean.
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    Surely this is Trump's fault I heard he's responsible for the start of WW1 also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Volatire View Post
    Classic fake headline.

    Only by calling Irma an "Atlantic" hurricance, does it get to be the "strongest ever".

    All of the bigger historical hurricanes get reclassified as "Carribean".

    In fact, all hurricanes are Atlantic hurricanes and start out as tropical Atlantic depressions close to the Cape Verde island and move with the trade winds towards the Carribean.
    And, like Harvey, they are fuelled in the Carribean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sync View Post
    Islands in Bahamas being evacuated. The Barbuda weather beacons have gone dark in the last hour. Bad times, spoke to a friend in Barbados a couple of weeks ago on it, pretty much all the houses are built using timber. Could be really bad.
    Apparently it's last recorded wind speed was of 155mph.
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