Once more Green Do Gooders get in the Way of Progress

[beardyboy]

The tree huggers have donned their sandals and are on the march to the shores of Belfast Lough,

A new incinerator which will burn the waste from 11 councils and thus result in a practical alternative to land fill is proposed to be built and they want to stop it.

I am for it as it creates energy from waste.

Story here.

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There are apparently 340 of these plants across Europe operating safely.

I cannot see an alternative being proposed by the greens.

[David Cochrane]

practical alternative to land fill

explain please

[beardyboy]

practical alternative to land fill

explain please

better burning it to generate energy which can be used than burying it and the problems that arise from that - vermin, leachate and whatever

[David Cochrane]

What about the environmental impact?

Why is incineration NOT bad???

devil's advocate by the way...........

[beardyboy]

What about the environmental impact?

Why is incineration NOT bad???

devil's advocate by the way...........

What about it - they are working safely elsewhere with "no credible evidence of adverse health outcomes" so that is good enough for me

[Pidge]

What about the environmental impact?

Why is incineration NOT bad???

devil's advocate by the way...........

What about it - they are working safely elsewhere with "no credible evidence of adverse health outcomes" so that is good enough for me

My problem with incineration has nothing to do whatsoever with health concerns. They're perfectly safe, as far as I'm concerned, and function properly and safely in locations around the world. My problem is to do with the licensing that usually accompanies them.

[beardyboy]

What about the environmental impact?

Why is incineration NOT bad???

devil's advocate by the way...........

What about it - they are working safely elsewhere with "no credible evidence of adverse health outcomes" so that is good enough for me

My problem with incineration has nothing to do whatsoever with health concerns. They're perfectly safe, as far as I'm concerned, and function properly and safely in locations around the world. My problem is to do with the licensing that usually accompanies them.

What do you mean - they are pubs as well - I am definitely all for them now

[Pidge]

What about the environmental impact?

Why is incineration NOT bad???

devil's advocate by the way...........

What about it - they are working safely elsewhere with "no credible evidence of adverse health outcomes" so that is good enough for me

My problem with incineration has nothing to do whatsoever with health concerns. They're perfectly safe, as far as I'm concerned, and function properly and safely in locations around the world. My problem is to do with the licensing that usually accompanies them.

What do you mean - they are pubs as well - I am definitely all for them now

Well, if you're going to launch threads with (sorry to be rude, but) stupid titles about "Green Do Gooders", it might be an idea to inform yourself of some of the issues surrounding incineration, other than the ones which immediately spring to mind.

One of those issues is the idea of a "put or pay" clause, a perfectly reasonable clause (from one point of view) which guarantees the profitability of incineration. It requires, in some circumstances, for the LA to provide a certain amount of waste for incineration or, if they don't provide sufficient waste, pay the company for not using the incinerator. It's a reasonable expectation on the part of the company, but it messes up the incentives which govern the LA's waste policy, by encouraging them to keep waste amounts at a given amount. Considering an economically and environmentally sound policy would be to head in a zero-waste direction, it's not wise to shift an LA's incentives like that.

Still, I don't have access to the article, so I don't know if such a clause is relevant in this case.

[Squire Allworthy]

I don't have access to the article either, I would imagine the proposed location is not on the North Down side of Belfast Lough but the less refined Carrickfergus side.

[beardyboy]

What about the environmental impact?

Why is incineration NOT bad???

devil's advocate by the way...........

What about it - they are working safely elsewhere with "no credible evidence of adverse health outcomes" so that is good enough for me

My problem with incineration has nothing to do whatsoever with health concerns. They're perfectly safe, as far as I'm concerned, and function properly and safely in locations around the world. My problem is to do with the licensing that usually accompanies them.

What do you mean - they are pubs as well - I am definitely all for them now

Well, if you're going to launch threads with (sorry to be rude, but) stupid titles about "Green Do Gooders", it might be an idea to inform yourself of some of the issues surrounding incineration, other than the ones which immediately spring to mind.

One of those issues is the idea of a "put or pay" clause, a perfectly reasonable clause (from one point of view) which guarantees the profitability of incineration. It requires, in some circumstances, for the LA to provide a certain amount of waste for incineration or, if they don't provide sufficient waste, pay the company for not using the incinerator. It's a reasonable expectation on the part of the company, but it messes up the incentives which govern the LA's waste policy, by encouraging them to keep waste amounts at a given amount. Considering an economically and environmentally sound policy would be to head in a zero-waste direction, it's not wise to shift an LA's incentives like that.

Still, I don't have access to the article, so I don't know if such a clause is relevant in this case.

it is an apt description. And be as rude as you like, never stopped you before. It appears to be planned for the present dump at Dargan. 17 acres to be shared by 11 local councils who have prepared a "comprehensive communications plan".


What is the alternative.

Mine is to dump it in the sea and with any luck over time we may be able to build a land bridge to Scotland, and if the sea washes it away anyway we are still okay as we have got rid of it cheap