Moore Street Market: another dodgy development?

[Aragon]

I take it that the Carlton site is part of this project.

Funny story about that site.

A few years ago it was owned by another party. DCC issued a compulsary purchase order (CPO) after some very dodgy machinations. The former owner took the matter to the courts. Whilst this was being fought out in the courts, DCC allowed a developer to move in and begin work.

An attempt to raise this fact was made before DCC, but Terry the Law Agent had somehow gotten wind of this fact and he turned up at the meeting to stop it before it got started. He said the matter could not be discussed as it was sub judice.

The proof of my point, i.e. that the developer moved in whilst this matter was in the courts can be seen in the court records themselves. Look at the dates, especially the date of the judgement (02/05/2007).

Note also that in the final judgement, the judge all but asks counsel to challenge the constitutionality of the planning and development Act 2000: " I would dismiss the appeal in so far as it relates to grounds other than the challenge to the constitutionality of certain provisions of the Planning and Development Act, 2000. If it is intended to pursue that constitutionality issue, the court will discuss appropriate procedures with counsel."

http://www.courts.ie/Judgments.nsf/5976 ... 25...ument

There's a whole pandora's box of whuppass waiting to be released on this one.

(Comment under article below)

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/85003

[Aragon]

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[L'Chaim]

The article says that "The Moore Street Market also serves as a strong anchor for the inner city working class communities". I don't think that's true any more. There's very few working class people left in the inner city and I would imagine that most of them, these days, would have more ambition than to sell fruit and veg from a stall. Moore St was important for the inner city when education was non existant, unemployment was very high and when money was in short supply. The old inner city is almost gone now. Most of the families who lived there for generations have moved out and the area is prime real estate now, worth a fortune. Times change. Moore St market isn't needed anymore. There's very few stalls left there anyway. It would appear that even the traders/dealers aren't that bothered about staying

[locke]

Should it die or adapt and change?

Markets like the Old English Market in Cork or Borough Market in London are more popular than ever. Dublin could do with an equivalent and a reinvigorated Moore St is one of the best options.

[johnfás]

Should it die or adapt and change?

Markets like the Old English Market in Cork or Borough Market in London are more popular than ever. Dublin could do with an equivalent and a reinvigorated Moore St is one of the best options.

It should reinvigorate in my opinion. It was noticeable on my last trip down Moore Street that the Ilac Centre has closed off its entrance from the Street, in my opinion that detracts from the Street as well. However, I highly doubt that the developers of the Dundrum 'Town Centre' or anyone like them will deliver the kind of reinvigoration suitable for a traditional market street in the centre of the city.

[Aragon]

Deja vu - Moore Street Market, Brooklyn

http://nyssenate17.com/press_archive_story.asp?id=1024

[mercymercyme]

The article says that "The Moore Street Market also serves as a strong anchor for the inner city working class communities". I don't think that's true any more. There's very few working class people left in the inner city and I would imagine that most of them, these days, would have more ambition than to sell fruit and veg from a stall. Moore St was important for the inner city when education was non existant, unemployment was very high and when money was in short supply. The old inner city is almost gone now. Most of the families who lived there for generations have moved out and the area is prime real estate now, worth a fortune. Times change. Moore St market isn't needed anymore. There's very few stalls left there anyway. It would appear that even the traders/dealers aren't that bothered about staying

Nonesense, there are loads of corpo flats still iwithin spitting distance- Bolton St and Dominic St for instance. An there are residents all over the inner city from Pearse st to North King st who would take exception to your comments. Anyway, you don't have to be working class to appreciate Moore St. MIt may not be needed in the stricted sense but it adds colour to the city centre and helps Dublin retain some sense of identity in an increasingly homogenous world. So long as there are traders willing to work the street it should remain. Even from a cold hard business vierw this makes sense.

[Rapscallion]

The Moore Street entrance is still used, I only went through it last week. And there's as many stalls on the street as there ever was.

[Aragon]

I take it that the Carlton site is part of this project.

Funny story about that site.

A few years ago it was owned by another party. DCC issued a compulsary purchase order (CPO) after some very dodgy machinations. The former owner took the matter to the courts. Whilst this was being fought out in the courts, DCC allowed a developer to move in and begin work.

An attempt to raise this fact was made before DCC, but Terry the Law Agent had somehow gotten wind of this fact and he turned up at the meeting to stop it before it got started. He said the matter could not be discussed as it was sub judice.

The proof of my point, i.e. that the developer moved in whilst this matter was in the courts can be seen in the court records themselves. Look at the dates, especially the date of the judgement (02/05/2007).

Note also that in the final judgement, the judge all but asks counsel to challenge the constitutionality of the planning and development Act 2000: " I would dismiss the appeal in so far as it relates to grounds other than the challenge to the constitutionality of certain provisions of the Planning and Development Act, 2000. If it is intended to pursue that constitutionality issue, the court will discuss appropriate procedures with counsel."

http://www.courts.ie/Judgments.nsf/5976 ... 25...ument

There's a whole pandora's box of whuppass waiting to be released on this one.

(Comment under article below)

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/85003

The link to the court judgment above isn't working.



Here is the right one

[ectoraige]

The article says that "The Moore Street Market also serves as a strong anchor for the inner city working class communities". I don't think that's true any more. There's very few working class people left in the inner city and I would imagine that most of them, these days, would have more ambition than to sell fruit and veg from a stall. Moore St was important for the inner city when education was non existant, unemployment was very high and when money was in short supply. The old inner city is almost gone now. Most of the families who lived there for generations have moved out and the area is prime real estate now, worth a fortune. Times change. Moore St market isn't needed anymore. There's very few stalls left there anyway. It would appear that even the traders/dealers aren't that bothered about staying

That doesn't tally with my experience.

There's still plenty of stalls on Moore Street, and they are run by the same working class families that have always run them. What has changed is that the majority of their customers are no longer Irish, having lost that trade to the supermarkets. The shop units alongside the stalls which used to sell cheap shoes and other goods have indeed changed and they are now mostly catering to the immigrant population.

Moore Street probably could do with a face-lift, but with a view to revitalizing the market, and selling local produce, not to bring in more Zaras and H&Ms.