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  1. 19th November 2007, 11:02 AM #1
    HanleyS
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    Councils ignoring trained planners

    The Independent has an article today about councils going against the advice of a trained and qualified planner. The development concerned is the Clarence Hotel on Dublin's Quays. The council have asked U2 for €1 million (less than 1 per cent of the development cost) towards infrastructure in the city as a sweetener to allow the development go ahead. The Clarence Hotel is a protected Georgian structure which is to be demolished.

    It would be quite worrying if trained and qualified planners were rejecting plans only for the development to go through on appeal. In some planning departments some planners may be seen to be soft on certain developments another planner has previously rejected. I don't believe that the planning departments have been adequately reformed in this country.

    Indo Link: http://www.independent.ie/national-news ... 22916.html
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  3. 19th November 2007, 11:07 AM #2
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    This decision wasn't made by the council. It was made by the planning dept. I wouldn't put money on it getting past An Bord Pleanala though, if the picture in the Indo is anthing to go by:

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  4. 19th November 2007, 11:10 AM #3
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    Thats been the problem nationally for a long time now.It also explain why things are the way they are infrastructurally also.
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  5. 19th November 2007, 11:27 AM #4
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpc
    Thats been the problem nationally for a long time now.It also explain why things are the way they are infrastructurally also.
    jpc You might expalin what on earth you mean by that as I suspect you have'nt a clue how the system works at all.
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  6. 19th November 2007, 11:29 AM #5
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    cllr i do, and he's right. Unfortunately I haven't time to elaborate as I'm busy in work. Planning.
    We need to radically change every system that has enabled the wholesale destruction of the Irish landscape, rural and urban. There is no time for incremental step by step measures. The systems have failed utterly and the only hope for a real recovery requires the rule book to be torn up completely.
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  7. 19th November 2007, 11:42 AM #6
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    Quote Originally Posted by alonso
    cllr i do, and he's right. Unfortunately I haven't time to elaborate as I'm busy in work. Planning.
    Specify as I could give examples the other way.
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  8. 19th November 2007, 11:45 AM #7
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpc
    Thats been the problem nationally for a long time now.It also explain why things are the way they are infrastructurally also.
    next monday nights prime time investigates will prove that
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  9. 19th November 2007, 11:48 AM #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by cllr
    Quote Originally Posted by alonso
    cllr i do, and he's right. Unfortunately I haven't time to elaborate as I'm busy in work. Planning.
    Specify as I could give examples the other way.
    Monaghan 2007 for one. Wicklow 2004 for another. Meath 2001 another.

    Gonepostal, primetime next monday will blow the lid on the myth that our elected representatives are acting in the public good. Cllr, no one is attacking you or even any current Dublin City Councillors, as being part of this malaise. But in certain counties, rampant disastrous rezonings against professional advice has rendered much of the island a ghetto.
    We need to radically change every system that has enabled the wholesale destruction of the Irish landscape, rural and urban. There is no time for incremental step by step measures. The systems have failed utterly and the only hope for a real recovery requires the rule book to be torn up completely.
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  10. 19th November 2007, 11:59 AM #9
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    I wasn't aware of the Prime Time programme. I look forward to it.

    Cllr, I wasn't referring to any DCC councillors.
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  11. 19th November 2007, 12:01 PM #10
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    Quote Originally Posted by alonso
    cllr i do, and he's right. Unfortunately I haven't time to elaborate as I'm busy in work. Planning.
    why bother ? sure it will only be ignored or over turned to suit the councillors or their "friends" anyway
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