You say yourself that the problems are with a radicalised minority -surely then the issue is with radicalisation, rather than with Islam itself.
A majority of people here in the 1980s would have favoured a united Ireland, but only a tiny minority were willing to blow people up to bring about that goal. Was the problem inherent in Irish nationalism? Or was it with a small cadre of radicalised mostly-young males who hijacked a respectable cause and took it places that a vast majority found to be abhorrent.
Its the usual - anti-semitism, mysogyny, homophobia etc etc
Undercover Mosque - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaUndercover Mosque generated controversy because it contained footage of British imams making the following statements:
Dr. Ijaz Mian on the subject of non-Muslim laws: “You cannot accept the rule of the kaffir…[w]e have to rule ourselves and we have to rule the others.”
Abu Usamah saying of apostates: “If the imam wants to crucify him he should crucify him. The person is put up on the wood and he's left there to bleed to death for three days.”
Abu Usamah speaking on the deficiency of women's minds: “Allah has created the woman, even if she gets a PhD, deficient. Her intellect is incomplete, deficient. She may be suffering from hormones that will make her emotional. It takes two witnesses of a woman to equal the one witness of the man.”
Praises the killer of a British soldier serving in Afghanistan, stating "The hero of Islam is the one who separated his head from his shoulders.”
Abdullah el-Faisal: “You have to bomb the Indian businesses, and as for the Jews you kill them physically.”
Advocates violent Jihad against the non-Muslims and predicting that an army of Muslims will arise against the non-Muslims in England.
Dr Bilal Philips on marriage with girls before puberty: “The prophet Muhammad practically outlined the rules regarding marriage prior to puberty. With his practice, he clarified what is permissible, and that is why we shouldn't have any issues about an older man marrying a younger woman, which is looked down upon by this society today, but we know that Prophet Mohammed practised it, it wasn’t abuse or exploitation, it was marriage.”
Condemns Muslim integration into British society.
Calls for the overthrow of the British government and democracy. “[T]hey will fight in the cause of Allah. I encourage all of you to be from amongst them, to begin to cultivate ourselves for the time that is fast approaching where the tables are going to turn and the Muslims are going to be in the position of being uppermost in strength, and when that happens, people won’t get killed – unjustly.”
Dr. Mian: “You are in a situation in which you have to live like a state within a state, until you take over.”
Al Jibali: “By the age of ten, it becomes an obligation on us to force her to wear hijab, and if she doesn’t wear hijab, we hit her.”
Dr. Mian praised the Saudi religious police practice of imprisoning people who do not pray: “They send the police, and they say, well, if you don’t come for prayer, close your shop, we will arrest you But if you don’t, then we have to bring the punishment on you, you will be killed, and nobody will pray on you.”
Abu Usamah saying that homosexuals should be killed by throwing them off a cliff, stating “throw [the homosexual] off the mountain.”
But neither the policy document nor the lines removed from it nor Andrew Neather said that. It's an unsupported allegation by a Telegraph blogger, which seen through your eyes becomes a cold hard reality.
And the police did not ignore this issue - they investigated reports of problems over the years, but they and the CPS dropped cases because they found a lack of evidence or that the girls making the claims were unlikely to be believed (often because of their social background). That appears now to have been a deeply flawed assessment, but not one that was rooted in political correctness. The most recent case in Rochdale came about after a new (Muslim as it happens) chief prosecutor was appointed and overturned a previous CPS decision not to investigate.
And it's interesting to see both yourself and bob say that the 80-90% or so of Muslims who express a desire to integrate, loyalty to their host nations and pride in their values are - very simply - lying. That's just nuts. So when a Muslim does something bad, it's because of his wicked violent religion. When he expresses a positive opinion, he's a liar. You've got them nicely boxed in there. You seem to have made up your mind long ago, and now just bend contrary realities so that your poisonous depressing worldview can remain intact.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...r-adviser.htmlIn his column, Mr Neather said that as well as bringing in hundreds of thousands more migrants to plug labour market gaps, there was also a "driving political purpose" behind immigration policy.
Didn't ignore it ? It went on for over a decade ffs, plenty of time for prosecuting John Terry over some bu11sh1t on a football pitch, but then he's white, so no racial complications.And the police did not ignore this issue - they investigated reports of problems over the years, but they and the CPS dropped cases because they found a lack of evidence or that the girls making the claims were unlikely to be believed (often because of their social background). That appears now to have been a deeply flawed assessment, but not one that was rooted in political correctness. The most recent case in Rochdale came about after a new (Muslim as it happens) chief prosecutor was appointed and overturned a previous CPS decision not to investigate.
Another coincidence - that it took a muslim to bring this issue to light eh ? Everyone else was too scared for their careers.
'Police turned a blind eye to South Yorkshire sex grooming gangs for a decade' | Mail OnlineAccording to previously confidential documents seen by The Times, police in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, found evidence of thousands of similar crimes and described ‘networks of Asian males exploiting young white females’.
The groups were reported to have trafficked victims to cities including Bristol, Manchester and Birmingham.
Despite this, just two prosecutions of groups of men for sexual abuse have taken place in South Yorkshire since 1996.
In 2002, Home Office-funded research criticised officers for treating young victims as ‘deviant and promiscuous’ while ‘the men they were found with were never questioned or investigated’.
Revealing the fears over the racial element to the abuse, a 2010 report from the Rotherham Safeguarding Children Board said the crimes had ‘cultural characteristics ... which are locally sensitive in terms of diversity’, but warned of ‘sensitivities of ethnicity with potential to endanger the harmony of community relationships’.
Cops arrived to that house because the neighbours heard screams, went in found a drunk 13 year old in hysterics with about 30 middle aged pakistani men. Cop reaction - arrest the 13 year old naturally.Among the alleged crimes for which no one was prosecuted were:
A 13-year-old girl was found drunk at 3am in a derelict house with a ‘large group of adult males’ who had plied her with vodka. She was arrested for a public order offence while the men walked away.
View of senior uk cop
A senior officer at West Mercia police has called for an end to the 'damaging taboo' connecting on-street grooming with race.
Detective Chief Inspector Alan Edwards said: 'These girls are being passed around and used as meat.
'To stop this type of crime you need to start everyone talking about it but everyone's been too scared to address the ethnicity factor.
'No one wants to stand up and say that Pakistani guys in some parts of the country are recruiting young white girls and passing them around their relatives for sex, but we need to stop being worried about the racial complication.'
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