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    Quote Originally Posted by MrD011 View Post
    A lot of people seem to mistakenly think that christian fundamentalism is the same as Islamic fundamentalism , both are complete opposite , christian fundamentalism means just following the teachings of christ to the letter of the law , Islamic fundamentalism means engaging in violent activites. both are complete opposites.
    A Christian fundamentalist who is also an elected official in the US recently suggested that the state could sanction the killing of disobedient children in line with Biblical principles.

    Republican encourages death penalty for 'rebellious children' - Wilmington Elections 2012 | Examiner.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by gnasher View Post
    There certainly is an issue with radicalisation among younger Muslims

    No shi'ite, Sherlock.

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    and I'd be happy to discuss the reasons for that.

    I'll just bet you would. But those reasons will have little to do with islamic texts and islamic supremacy generally.



    Quote Originally Posted by gnasher View Post
    The paper referred to here from Harvard (based on 20 years of reseach) is interesting.

    "Recent events have intensified concerns about the integration of Muslim populations... For some observers, disaffected Muslims in France, the UK or the Netherlands are seeking to create a society entirely separate from the mainstream... The analysis [in this paper] demonstrates that the basic values of Muslims living in Western societies fall roughly half‐way between the dominant values prevailing within their countries of destination and origin. This suggests that migrant populations living in Rotterdam, Bradford and Berlin are in the process of adapting to Western cultures...

    Breathtaking drivel from left-wing academics who are happy to believe everything they hear from Muslims. The notion that the Muslims of Bradford are “adapting” is quite simply off the wall.


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    the results of the analysis is largely consistent with previous studies based on other populations, such as the integration of Mexican migrants into the U.S.
    That comparison between Mexican and Muslim immigrants is quite simply stunning.
    I could post a long list of cases involving islmaic terrorism in US, and none at all involving Mexicans who far exceed the Muslim population there.

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    , suggesting common underlying processes are at work... Our overall view of these findings is that Muslim migrants do not come to Western countries with rigidly fixed attitudes; instead, they gradually absorb the values prevalent in their host society, as assimilation theories suggest."

    Those "assimilation theories" don't seem to have reached even as far as "moderate" Turkey whose PM lectured Turks in Germany on the dangers of assimilation.

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    My point is not that Muslim immigration leads to some sort of happy-clappy Utopia.
    Are you sure ?

    Quote Originally Posted by gnasher View Post

    It's that the single-issue obsessives who insist that Muslims in Europe are incapable and unwilling to integrate are demonstrably wrong. You make this specific point yourself above when you say "that the first and second generation of Muslim immigrants have integrated well". This is poison to the likes of Trampas, Twin Towers and fuque, who are unwilling to acknowledge that the vast majority of European Muslims fit in well in their societies and pose zero threat to our way of life.
    Whatever happened to your acceptance of radicalisation among young Muslims (above) ? Unfortunately for all of us a law-abiding "vast majority" (which I accept) is just not good enough, and as numbers rise so too will the numbers of the radicalised (which you accept). My personal view is that Islam is a social and cultural abomination, a time-bomb…..as it were… that I do not wish to see foisted upon my descendants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercurial View Post
    A Christian fundamentalist who is also an elected official in the US recently suggested that the state could sanction the killing of disobedient children in line with Biblical principles.

    Republican encourages death penalty for 'rebellious children' - Wilmington Elections 2012 | Examiner.com
    Get back to us when you come up with some christian fundamentalists actually shooting people as opposed to shooting off their gobs. You'd imagine if the christians are so craaaazy in the states, and guns being so easy to come by, that there'd be weekly attrocities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clanrickard View Post
    Yes because Evangelicals want to destroy democracy and replace it with a Christian Saudi Arabia. More witless moral equivalence.

    Christian theocracy: How Newt Gingrich and the GOP would abolish courts and legislate morality. - Slate Magazine
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob3344 View Post
    Get back to us when you come up with some christian fundamentalists actually shooting people as opposed to shooting off their gobs. You'd imagine if the christians are so craaaazy in the states, and guns being so easy to come by, that there'd be weekly attrocities.
    Actually christian fundamentalists have killed quite a few gays, abortionists and human rights advocates down the years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob3344 View Post
    Get back to us when you come up with some christian fundamentalists actually shooting people as opposed to shooting off their gobs. You'd imagine if the christians are so craaaazy in the states, and guns being so easy to come by, that there'd be weekly attrocities.
    Anti-abortion violence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    God thats poor stuff.

    Anti-abortionists, second link nada about christian motivation, 3rd link "The family does not belong to an organized religion or faith".

    Thats as far as I got.

    Why not just give it up & admit that there is no valid comparison between christianity & islam re religious violence.

    Or you could just keep flailing around & embarassing yourself with crapola like this.
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    Have you pictures of any other anti Roman Catholic groups in action?

    The Arkansas clown you quote is probably a hill billy. His arguments look convoluted at best. He is not trying to dominate Dublin. The other anti Catholic mob are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mary_queen_of_the_gael View Post
    Have you pictures of any other anti Roman Catholic groups in action?

    The Arkansas clown you quote is probably a hill billy. His arguments look convoluted at best. He is not trying to dominate Dublin. The other anti Catholic mob are.
    What?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob3344 View Post
    Why not just give it up & admit that there is no valid comparison between christianity & islam re religious violence.
    How far back in history is one allowed to go with this?

    And can you name me one western, prodominantly Christian country that has been attacked and invaded by a prodominantly Muslim country? (W and God being on his side) The reason I ask, is that this might go some part of the way to explaining why there is so much Islamic fundamentalism.
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