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    Quote Originally Posted by rash mulligan View Post
    Statement From Pat Swords Regarding May 2012 Aarhus Ruling | Turn 180

    The Ahraus Compliance Committee has ruled in Pat Swords favour.


    It's over.

    There will be no new wind farm projects in Ireland or anywhere else in the E.U..


    They will now have to do cost benefit analysis and human/environmental impact assessments on any future projects.

    They will also have to prove emissions reductions.

    It is impossible for wind energy to pass these tests as the Academy of Irish Engineers, Eirgrid and several independent studies have shown.

    There will be legal repercussions as the people of Ireland have been shafted yet again and once this is conveyed to the public in laymans language it will be the straw that cuts the camel in two.

    [email protected] are creating a legal fund to make sure Irish electricity consumers are compensated.

    Just for the craic

    Swedish utility Vattenfall has been given the green light to build a massive wind farm in Wales.

    The department of energy and climate change has granted Section 36 consent for a 76 turbine scheme of up to 299MW.

    Consent was granted on the condition that Vattenfall agrees to fund a community benefits package potentially worth around £55m over the lifetime of the development, including £6,000 a year per megawatt to a community fund.

    Green light for massive wind farm in Wales
    I suggest this fund may have to be pretty big in order to overturn the recent Supreme Court decision in favour of Huntstown and Viridian on the pass through of carbon pricing, talk about a €billion subsidy for gas generation.

    Or is turn180 going to be selective about its compensation claims, if so its not very Aarhus like
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    In the 19th Century there were many pseudo-engineers, spoofers and charlatans who claimed they could extract "free energy!" from the environment. These were the so-called Perpetual Motion Machines.

    Fortunately, 19th Century governments were not foolish enough to subsidise the Perpetual Motion Machine industry. Not much harm was done. Eventually, a Northern Irishman, William Thomson spelt out the Second Law of Thermodynamics. This excluded the possibility of perpetual motion machines, and is one of the great intellectual achievements in physics. It took a long time, but the spoofers eventually died off.



    Fast-forward to the 21st Century. In the present day, governments have decided that "renewable" energy not only exists, but that it is cleaner, cheaper and better than all alternatives. And to prove it, they are throwing a big chunk of other people's money at it.

    That is why every generation need individuals such as Pat Swords or Val Martin. Without such people, the spoofers and charlatans simply run loose.
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    Maybe you need to educate the Institution for Engineering and Technology
    The supply of energy from primary sources is not constant and rarely matches the pattern of demand from consumers. Electricity is also difficult to store in significant quantities. Therefore, secondary storage of energy is essential to increase generation capacity efficiency and to allow more substantial use of renewable energy sources that only provide energy intermittently. Lack of effective storage has often been cited as a major hurdle to substantial introduction of renewable energy sources into the electricity supply network.
    This 2nd edition, without changing the existing structure of the 1st edition, has expanded chapters that review different types of renewables and considers which of these requires storage.
    The book also discusses the limitation of renewables’ usage without storage and considers more substantial possibilities that arise from integrating a combination of different storage devices into a system.
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    I doubt that the Irish Goverment or State Agencies fully appreciate the legal bind they will find themselves in as a result of this victory for Pat Swords.

    Wait until the state is hit for costs through legal means. This will put a stop to the extortion of the Irish Public to support fantasy Wind Turbine projects backed by alarmist Climate Change nonsense.
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    Pat Gill

    You looked well in the paper this week. Only poster here known publicly

    What is your considered reply re Volaires contention that the Eirgrid proposal does not comply with Aarhus?
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    Never heard of the UNECE
    If Ireland hasn't ratified the Aarhus convention does it matter what the ruling says?
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    It's not exactly all over the papers
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    Quote Originally Posted by ergo2 View Post
    Pat Gill

    You looked well in the paper this week. Only poster here known publicly

    What is your considered reply re Volaires contention that the Eirgrid proposal does not comply with Aarhus?
    Thank you ergo2, there are actually a few other P.iers who speak publicly but have yet to lose their P.ie disguises. I take it you are referring to the Examiner article, that picture was taken about 18 months ago during chemo/radiotheraphy, I used to be even prettier

    I replied to Decadence earlier on this subject, maybe it was in another thread, EirGrid have opened an 18 month long consultation period on Grid West and publicised it more than any such effort in the past, the Taoiseach and the Minister responsible both attempted to raise the profile of the public consultation, let the public consult, ask pertinent questions and expect answers. That is certainly the spirit of the Aarhus convention. If this actually happens I could forsee the government ratifing Aarhus quite quickly, if instead the consultation process is approached cynically, perhaps used simply as a delaying tactic or a veto by a minority and the majority stay silent as usual then Aarhus will be kicked down the road as far as possible.

    That is the key to making Aarhus work effectively, everyone or at least the majority of the population taking part, otherwise it will be business as usual, who ever shouts the loudest and most often gets heard even if that voice belongs to a minority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LooseCannon View Post
    Never heard of the UNECE
    If Ireland hasn't ratified the Aarhus convention does it matter what the ruling says?
    Ratification has been not formalised directly but Indirectly through various European Teaties. The Eu Commission is bound by the Aarhus Convention.

    It's not exactly all over the papers -yet. But just wait an see. It takes time for people to get their heads around this topic and it seems the folks at Turn180 have got a grasp of it.

    Pat Swords has shown how the Irish Government and EU Commission ignored proper procedures, used public funds, to foist a "renewable energy" policy without any proper cost / benefit analysis ie CO2 emmissions saved etc Versus non-interventionist policies issuance of Carbon Credits etc.

    A domino has fallen and soon all the other dominoes will come tumbling down.

    All it takes is a legal challenge based on the decisions of the Aarhus Compliance Committee.

    If a compliance committee of the Geneva Convention ruled against the US for example on the maltreatment of prisioners, this leaves it open for the injured parties to take a case to the International Criminal Court for damages -assuming the US were signatories to the covention etc etc and were legally bound by the decisions of the ICC.

    If a resident in Donegal doesn't like Wind Turbines on his horizon, here's the legal mechanism to get rid of it.
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    If a resident in Donegal doesn't like Wind Turbines on his horizon, here's the legal mechanism to get rid of it.
    See what I mean about cynical NIMBYies.

    The logic works both ways Destinys Soldier, you obviously haven't been keeping up with your enemies, or at least misé, I can prove subsidy for thermal plants, the Irish Supreme Court recently ruled in its favour, in excess of a €billion over the last few years.

    Don't make me turn all cynical now.

    Your post shows simply shows how twisted and cynical turn180 is as an organisation.
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