Global Warming is NOT caused by CO2!

[renewal]

Once upon a time people thought it was a myth that the world was round and went around the sun rather than being flat and having the universe revolve around us. Then again I do feel it is good to argue points and be open to other ideas.

The vast majority of scientists say that the temperature of the planet is heating up and that there is more CO2 around primarily because of burning oil. This apparently releases CO2 and doesn't take in any (or it did but many thousands of years ago) and so burning oil is not CO2 neutral. And alot of oil is being burnt today.

My understanding is that CO2 in the athmosphere reflects the sun heat back onto the planet rather than leaving it bounce back up into space, ergo the planet heats up, icecaps melt, seas rise, weather goes haywire and God know what happens then as people react to the sudden changes (big and small).

But I do know that people do terrible things in the name of survival; would you blame them?

[JCSkinner]

That's a whole lot of bile and no refutation of the points made by the OP, there. Do you have a constructive rebuttal to make, or simply insults to fling, SPN?

In fairness, it was a fairly off the wall post.

I could accuse you of not loving your parents. Does the fact that you refuse to rebut the argument make it true?

Well, if the facts presented are incorrect, the best way is to rebut them with reference to respected sources.
Flinging abuse around merely looks like there is no counter-argument other than insults.

[Destiny's Soldier]

I dont completely understand why the myth is propagated.

But here's a couple of reasons for you to ponder:

1. So that the Oil barons can justify having a high price for Oil so that we accept it is a Climate Changing commodity. Sell perhaps 10% less of your product make 300% more in profits. (People need Oil anyway -there's no other cheaper form of energy)
Big Oil owns the US Govt. There's no denying that.

2. To Bully China and India in to accepting what rate their economies can expand.
They'll have to BUY Carbon Credits from us in the west if they want to expand their energy guzzling businesses further. Sort of like a Milk Quota that farmers were landed with in the 80s. (UK power plants in the past year have made an extra 1Billion Sterling in profits from selling Carbon Credits. So dont reject what Im saying outright)
We (the west) simply sit back and ask China, especically China to pay a Carbon Tax and be our slaves. When they refuse the sickos in control of the US Govt can justify challenging China for putting the Planet on the brink of climatic disaster. "Bush III" can make a state broadcast on why we have to Nuke China in the same way they have to Nuke Iran, invade Iraq, put missile bases in Poland and the Czech Republic to minimise the threat of Russia.
WMDs won't work this time.

If all of this sounds farfetched look at whats left for completion. Iraq as we know it is gone (will be Balkanised), new US bases in Europe, Iran is on the virge of being Nuked. The biggest array of US Military Warships are sitting in the Persian Gulf as we speak.

You ask yourself the question: what is America up to? Quite simply, Global Domination.

You pay your Carbon Tax so that I can control your business.
As you read you're breathing out 42,000 ppm of CO2 gas. "Guards Tax Him!" It puts Carbon Footprint in a new light eh?

As its now dark at 11.55 pm, plants are Respiring producing 10 times more CO2 into the atmosphere than what Humans produce. So I ask you, which one of us is the gullable one?

[SPN]

That's a whole lot of bile and no refutation of the points made by the OP, there. Do you have a constructive rebuttal to make, or simply insults to fling, SPN?

In fairness, it was a fairly off the wall post.

I could accuse you of not loving your parents. Does the fact that you refuse to rebut the argument make it true?

Well, if the facts presented are incorrect, the best way is to rebut them with reference to respected sources.
Flinging abuse around merely looks like there is no counter-argument other than insults.

What insults, JC?

I was calling bullsh!t on his complete misrepresentation of the facts.

There are plenty of positive discussions to be had in relation to Global Warming, and plenty of debate to be had on the minutiae.

This thread is about WingNut Lies and Misrepresentations.

They need to be slapped down hard every time they surface because they do not add a jot to the actual topic under discussion.

[JCSkinner]

Wingnut is an insult as is accusing him of lying. If he's wrong, demonstrate that.

[Pidge]

I've always loved hearing this point:

Conserve energy, cut down on chemical emmissions yes. But CO2 itself is not a pollutant. It is essential for life. CO2 is a Plant Fertilizer for God sake!

So's cow sh[size=2].[/size]it.

I'll tell you what - why don't you go into a room and have it filled with CO2. See how you get on.

Of course, that's entirely beside the point.

There's a good part at the start of George Monbiot's Heat:

If you reject this explanation for planetary warming [the anthropogenic one], you should ask yourself the following questions:

1. Does the atmosphere contain carbon dioxide?

2. Does atmospheric carbon dioxide raise the average global temperature?

3. Will this influence be enhanced by the addition of more carbon dioxide?

4. Have human activities led to a net emission of carbon dioxide?

If you are able to answer 'no' to any of them, you should put yourself forward for a Nobel prize. You will have turned science on its head.

[SPN]

Wingnut is an insult as is accusing him of lying. If he's wrong, demonstrate that.

WingNut is not an insult - if you are a member of the FI or PDs.


If he was slightly wrong, then there might be merit in demonstrating it.

This boy is troll level wrong. He is doing this to cause mischief.


And I didn't accuse him of lying

I noted the fact that he was lying!


Big difference!

[JCSkinner]

Then demonstrate that he's lying. It's only an allegation otherwise.

[Odyessus]

That's a whole lot of bile and no refutation of the points made by the OP, there. Do you have a constructive rebuttal to make, or simply insults to fling, SPN?

In fairness, it was a fairly off the wall post.

I could accuse you of not loving your parents. Does the fact that you refuse to rebut the argument make it true?

Well, if the facts presented are incorrect, the best way is to rebut them with reference to respected sources.
Flinging abuse around merely looks like there is no counter-argument other than insults.

What insults, JC?

I was calling bullsh!t on his complete misrepresentation of the facts.

There are plenty of positive discussions to be had in relation to Global Warming, and plenty of debate to be had on the minutiae.

This thread is about WingNut Lies and Misrepresentations.

They need to be slapped down hard every time they surface because they do not add a jot to the actual topic under discussion.

I am afraid that it is you who is adding nothing to the discussion by your childish insults.

[SPN]

I am afraid that it is you who is adding nothing to the discussion by your childish insults.

What "childish insults"?

It wasn't me who stated "I can't believe people are so retarded".


And that was the highpoint of his argument.