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    Quote Originally Posted by glandore View Post
    And we have such a great record as regards regulations and sanctions. I really don't know what people are so worreid about.
    You aren't?

    Don't mention the water... err, Corrib.... the banking crisis.... WTF...

    As long as people like you are not worried that karaoke will go on and on...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirCharles View Post
    You aren't?

    Don't mention the water... err, Corrib.... the banking crisis.... WTF...

    As long as people like you are not worried that karaoke will go on and on...
    I was being sarcastic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by glandore View Post
    I was being sarcastic!
    Well. Sorry then. I'm taking that issue very seriously as you can see.
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    Gas Rush Stories is a series of short documentaries about natural gas drilling in Pennsylvania.
    An amateur pilot Steve White from Beaver County has been witnessing how the Pennsylvania landscape has been changing during the last three years due to shale gas drilling. He takes Gas Rush Stories for a ride in the skies.
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    One should consider that the whole Shannon River could be endangered by fracking. So, it's time to raise awareness in the other counties.


    BTW, here "The Leitrim Lament"

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirCharles View Post
    Sure. Solar and wind are releasing large scale methane

    I doubt you are getting "an agreement from the author of the study from Cornell" for that.
    Sorry wrong author. What I was thinking of is below.
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    Quote from another link of ger12's post: "Fracking involves cracking or fracturing rock, containing trapped shale gas, by using pressurized liquid. Shale gas is an increasingly important energy resource though there have been claims that it is worse for the environment than coal, largely due to the fracking process."

    BTW, it's not the disposal of "produced" fluid, it's part of the fracking procedure: "Injection wells, which take away waste fluids from fracking operations, act as jacks which can split faults." These injection wells, also called 'brine-injection', are necessary part of the procedure.
    First his links from what I read state that it is the disposal of fracking fluids that is causing the issue. Thus my point still stands, it is the disposal technique that is poor and I have offered alternatives. Further, if earthquakes were an issue with fracking, they would also be an issue with fracking in vertical wells which has been around since the 50's. They would also be an issue with the use of mud in advanced oil extraction.
    Both of these act in a similar way to the current fracking technique. The difference is that the former (conventional) uses horizontal wells and the latter (frack) uses verticle wells (for gas operations) and denser fluid (for mud). There is a possibility for increased seismic activity but in the links yet presented, no direct evidence has been linked to the fracking operation. It has been linked to the disposal for which there are alternatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by riven View Post
    That's a forum web page with a ridiculous title and many posters.

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    First his links from what I read state that it is the disposal of fracking fluids that is causing the issue. Thus my point still stands, it is the disposal technique that is poor and I have offered alternatives. Further, if earthquakes were an issue with fracking, they would also be an issue with fracking in vertical wells which has been around since the 50's. They would also be an issue with the use of mud in advanced oil extraction.
    Both of these act in a similar way to the current fracking technique. The difference is that the former (conventional) uses horizontal wells and the latter (frack) uses verticle wells (for gas operations) and denser fluid (for mud). There is a possibility for increased seismic activity but in the links yet presented, no direct evidence has been linked to the fracking operation. It has been linked to the disposal for which there are alternatives.
    Hydraulic shale gas fracturing has started some 10 years ago. Inbetween there has been done some research. Your claim that "no direct evidence has been linked to the fracking operation" is your sole opinion and has nothing to do with reality.

    => Eartquakes and contamination of groundwaters

    Many little explosions are causing earthquakes as high as magnitude 4 at the Richter scale * * * *, not the only reason for groundwater contaminations by methane and chemicals * * . Discharge of radioactive material is a further problem * *. as the gas comes up wet in produced water and has to be separated from the wastewater and other components on the surface. Only 30-50% of the water is typically recovered from a well. This huge amount of produced water is highly toxic and must be treated as hazardous waste.


    Cuadrilla Resources, the British company exploring for natural shale gas in the Bowland Basin in Lancashire, admits in a press release from November 2nd, 2011, "It is highly probable that the hydraulic fracturing of Cuadrilla’s Preese Hall-1 well did trigger a number of minor seismic events."


    More on release of toxic chemicals and methane:

    The Massachusetts Institute of Technology addresses groundwater contamination, noting that "There has been concern that these fractures can also penetrate shallow freshwater zones and contaminate them with fracturing fluid". They found "evidence of natural gas migration into freshwater zones in some areas" [*].

    In Germany, high levels of benzene have been found that have simply seeped out of their underground piping system. Despite a closed pipe system to deal with the fluids, volatile chemicals are diffusing out of the plastic pipes. Benzene is part of the raw gas. It's not even a chemical used by the industry.



    Scientists from NOAA and the University of Colorado have found out that, compare to other claims of the industry, the Denver-Julesburg Basin is losing about 4% of their gas to the atmosphere — not including additional losses in the pipeline and distribution system.=> Air sampling reveals high emissions from gas field (Nature News).

    The The Cornell Team Redux has found out that shale gas has a carbon footprint worse than coal => Shale Gas a Disaster for Climate



    Fracking releases large amounts of raw gas into our environment. That includes compounds as benzene which are highly toxic and carcinogenic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpc View Post
    This happened today.
    Have they the authority to actually do this?
    I know every one is watching gaslands but as the technology improves I think its worth a look at.
    The big problem is the visual impact I would think.
    Then again wind farms and moronic housing developments went ahead without too much righteous indignation.
    At the end of the day do we need the gas if it's there?
    We are at the end of the pipe and as we are seeing with the debt crisis.
    Little ol'Ireland is not on too many Christmas card list's.
    Are we shooting ourselves in the foot yet again?
    There is no gas in Clare?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dandahan4 View Post
    There is no gas in Clare?
    But the Shannon River.
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    "Only when the last tree has died, the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught will we realize that we cannot eat money."

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