Parts of counties of Leitrim, Sligo, Cavan, Fermangh and Donegal are apparently abundant in shale-gas. Licenses for exploration have been granted on both sides of the border. However the process of extracting this gas, known as fracking, has proved controversial in the U.S.
http://video.pbs.org/video/1452296560/
Is contaminated water a price worth paying for energy independence?
There are luddite ideological extremists who hate the idea of any fossil fuels and would would welcome the defilement of the landscape with windmills.
Don't fall for the spin. Gasland in particular has been exposed as deceptive misinformation and lies
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Third Assessment Report: “long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.”
Mods, happy to see you bury this in the existing fracking threads as you would anything that is skeptical of or challenges this watermelon agenda.
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I am not against fracking in principle ... as long as the exploration companies are well regulated and pay for all the environmental damage, which is considerable. The externalities must be factored in as costs to the business, otherwise the costs are grossly underestimated. Taking the concurrent negative effects together with the climatic damage of carbon emissions, there is no such thing as cheap fossil fuel energy any more.
It is clear from the US that the fossil fuel companies expect the local community or the public purse to bear the costs of the environmental degradation (e.g. ground water poisoned) - in other words, they expect to be subsidised in return for "jobs" and the false promise of "cheap energy"..
We should not be so foolish here as to let them buy enough political muscle to let them have their way. If they want to mine our resources for sale, let the business viability be measured fairly and accurately.
"A wise man proportions his belief to the evidence" - David Hume
I personally want to see oil and gas extraction in Ireland. I would prefer Ireland to set up a company run exactly the same as Statoil. I would go as far as hiring ex Statoil executives and managers to run it and manage it as they clearly know exactly what they are doing. There would be no need to hire a local cute hoor to run the company, destroy it and create a disaster.Originally Posted by picador
Regarding fracking. I am very uncomfortable with the idea of fracking in Fermanagh in particular. All of Fermanaghs drinking water comes from low lying sources, that are connected to each other over a very wide area. Any oil or chemicals get into the Fermanagh lake system and 10's of thousands of people will have to have water delivered by tanker, as well as having to deal with the loss of any tourism revenue, which would cruxify Fermanangh.
The other issue is this. Ireland is full of ancient fault lines. It is practically impossible at present to get anything above 4 on the richter scale in Ireland, but if you do some checking events at 2 on the richter scale are common, which no one but a seismometer would notice at ground level.
Donegal is studied by geologists and is required study for some university undergraduate geology courses for a reason. The area surrounding the Ardara Pluton has widely varied geology. Most of that widely varied geology originated in different areas and between those areas are fossilised fault zones. The Lough Foyle and Lough Swilly actually run along ancient fossilised fault lines. The biggest fault line in Donegal is the fossilised Gweebarra fault line. The mountains in Donegal are the ancient roots of a mountain range that once ran from Norway through Scotland to Ireland. The fault lines run from Ireland through Scotland.
Fracking has been alleged to reactivate ancient fault lines. I really hope that the fracking that is occurring is no where near those fossilised faults lines.
A good article on fracking is here: Natural Gas Firm Says Shale Fracking Caused UK Earthquakes: Scientific American
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Ireland needs more wind power, not less. The more wind power Ireland has that is geologically widely spread the better, as in the long term they reduce imports of fossil fuels from unstable countries such as Libya, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Iraq.
We need to combine alternative energy sources with reductions in our fossil fuel useage so as to improve our balance of payments as well as exporting oil and gas at as high of price as possible.
No more licenses for extraction should be given out, until the Irish exchequer gets at least 30% and if they don't like it, leave it sitting there until the price climbs further and they are desperate for it.
Anything under the ground in Ireland belongs to the Irish people. Any company not willing to adequately pay the Irish people for extracting it, should be told to leave.
Our debts to other nations are to high. We need to stop saying 'it'l be grand' and 'thats not a problem' to every con artist we meet with an american accent. We need to demand the money for the people as the country has its back to the wall.
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Mods.
This needs merging with the existing thread that covers all the same territory.
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Anyone there???
Thought not.
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Third Assessment Report: “long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.”
" However the process of extracting this gas, known as fracking, has proved controversial in the U.S."
The Simpsons has proved controversial in the U.S. Is that a good reason not to watch it. I smell another protest group of tree huggers scrouinging on welfare getting ready to object.
"oooh leave the gold buried under Croagh Patrick. Its a holy mountain"
As usual, it is all "precautionary principle" and politics and ideology.
Where exactly is the proof of any
- uncontainable and material envinromental "damage"
- damage to water supply or property (NOTE - Gasland shows evdience of contaminated water that WAS NOT CAUSED BY FRACKING)
OK mods, this is a complete duuplicate thread to at least one other here.
Stop your porn cruising and masturbating and merge it.
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As long as the Irish people get at least 30% of the value of the gold extracted, I am all for serious gold extraction at Croagh Patrick. It is clear there is gold there.
In Fermanagh, any gas or oil leaking into the lakes would be a nightmare scenario of unbelieveable proportions. Fermanagh, Cavan and Leitrim do have known small oil and gas deposits, that are to small to extract commercially.
Any leakage into the water in Fermanagh would result in at least 50,000 people losing there water supply for at least a year or longer, as Northern Ireland water is a disaster of a company to respond to anything.
Wether anyone likes it or not, regardless of ideology, there are very serious risks to gas and oil extraction in Fermanagh.
I am not one of the dyed in the wool protesters you see everywhere. I am a capitalist that agrees with extraction in Ireland, but not at the expense of the water supply.
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