Climate: "Shale Gas may be worse than coal" -Cornell University

[Tombo]

kahono,

The project is moving ahead nicely although you probably wont find much media attention.

We made our decisions over three years ago.

The British and Irish governments are currently negotiating market trading arrangements.

Over the next month we will be rolloing out a program designed to encourage communities to get involved by establishing energy Co-Op's.

Starting to sound like the Great Leap Forward.

[Pat Gill]

Starting to sound like the Great Leap Forward.

Don't worry Tombo, it wont cost you a red cent.

[SirCharles]

Would anyone with more knowledge of these matters than me care to comment about the potential for gelled propane fracking as a more ecologically viable alternative to traditional methods?

Why not using TNT? => Propane not a good substitute for water in fracking

If there really is $55 billion worth of gas in Leitrim, I think we should seriously consider all options.

=> https://sites.google.com/site/fracki...amboran-claims

[SirCharles]

'Gasland' Journalists Arrested At Hearing By Order Of House Republicans (UPDATES)

[SirCharles]

Until of course you consider the feed in tarrifs
Europe's Energy Portal » Fuel Prices, Rates for Power & Natural Gas

Well.

1) These are already calculated in the Eirgrid/SEAI study, Impact of Wind Generation on Wholesale Electricity Prices in 2011. "Wind generation lowers wholesale prices". Also => Kevin Myers on wind power in todays Sindo 31-08-2010

2) Ireland pays the lowest feed-in in Europe to the producers of renewable energy and nothing for solar. Nevertheless, the wind industry in Ireland is growing. Why? Quite simple. Wind not only produces electricity cheaper than conventional fuel burning power plants, wind energy is a reliable investment as this technique doesn't rely on fossil fuels which prices are, often unexpectedly, rising. Oil, gas and coal are limited on our planet. Burning fossil fuels is causing rapid global warming.

[SirCharles]

Don't worry Tombo, it wont cost you a red cent.

I don't take this right-wing troll any more seriously. He's just a hateful person and jumps into any thread which is dealing with climate change or alternative/renewable energies to spread misinformation and to try causing misconception.

[SirCharles]

Last week, President Obama's called the United States "the Saudi Arabia of natural gas" in a speech about boosting domestic energy production. That concerns Wyoming farmer John Fenton, who already has more than two dozen gas wells on his property. The Environmental Protection Agency ruled in December that water contamination in Pavillion, Wyoming, was a result natural gas extraction and the controversial technique known as fracking. "Things changed pretty rapidly," Fenton says, after fracking took place on his land near Pavillion, and now has to ship in water for drinking. "It didn't take long to notice a significant impacts to the water, the change to smell like diesel fuel, methane was bubbling in the water. We had neighbors that actually had livestock die from drinking the water and we also saw really huge impacts to our way of life. The farm fields are full of wellheads now that we have to work around. We have people coming and going off our property 24 hours a day, and we've seen over a 50 percent devaluation in the value of our land." We also speak with filmmaker Josh Fox, who was arrested for attempting to recording a Congressional hearing over the EPA report on Pavillion. Fox is producing a sequel to his award-winning film, "Gaslands," about the impact of fracking across the United States.

[NLPete]

Hi all

I came across this article this morning 11/2/2012 on Bloomberg and thought I’d post it here. I’m not sure how to post a clickable link, sorry about that but you can check it out.

I’m not a regular reader of Bloomberg (that may change) but they do seem to cover a lot regarding industry and environmental issues.

The adress is as follows. (Sorry I dont have 50 posts made yet so cant post a link) but this may get you there.

bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-08/fracking-s-toll-on-pets-livestock-chills-pennsylvania-farmers-commentary.html Fracking

.Smelling gas one morning, a southern Pennsylvania farmer almost passed out when he went outside to check on his bellowing cows…..Something awful is happening over the Marcellus Shale, the vast geological formation in eastern North America where energy companies are looking for natural gas.

Hydraulic fracturing, or fracking….. has sparked complaints about ruined landscapes and fouled groundwater. Increasingly there is evidence, mostly anecdotal, that animals are suffering.

A new study by veterinarian Michelle Bamberger and Robert Oswald, a professor of veterinary medicine at Cornell University……Their findings, published in “New Solutions: A Journal of Environmental and Occupational Health Policy,” are a harrowing account of sudden deaths of cattle, as well as reproductive and neurological problems in horses, cats, dogs and other animals.

The Pennsylvania farmers I spoke with have lost cows, calves, a horse…… seizure-like symptoms, gasping for breath and a quick wasting away. A Rottweiler and a Dalmatian also fell ill and died.

Crops Lost ……These farmers are getting out of the beef business, in part over concern that their animals will become delivery systems for contaminants.

An organic farmer from southeast Ohio told me…….He began noticing changes around his 20-acre property in 2007, when a fracking operation began dumping wastewater nearby. He lost quite a few deer that were drawn to the brine and antifreeze in the fluid.

Energy representatives dismiss the veterinarians’ study. They say that health indicators have actually improved in areas………The paper is full of bold assertions about oil and gas development, but empty of any facts or scientific evidence to support those opinions.”

Energy companies are not required to disclose the composition of fracking fluids for proprietary reasons, so they don’t.
We don’t know what the chemicals are in a lot of these cases,” says Bamberger ……In 2010, the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture quarantined 28 head of cattle after they drank wastewater from a fracking site in Tioga County. The fear was that a radioactive contaminant in the water, strontium, would end up in beef.

In December 2011, the Environmental Protection Agency linked water pollution to fracking for the first time, after examining contaminated water in central Wyoming.

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This is the bulk of the article but I did edit some to keep it short.

I have also seen video from this part of America, which I would imagine to have been quite pristine in the pre-industrial/white man era, but now they have to ship in even their bathing water.


I’m just glad I lived in better times….tough luck kids.

[SirCharles]

Thanks for that NLPete. Here the link again => Fracking’s Toll on Pets, Livestock Chills Farmers

Here an article dealing with the same subject more than one and a half years ago:

A Fracking First in Pennsylvania: Cattle Quarantine (ProPublica, 2 July 2010)

Agriculture officials have quarantined 28 beef cattle on a Pennsylvania farm after wastewater from a nearby gas well leaked into a field and came in contact with the animals.

The state Department of Agriculture said the action was its first livestock quarantine related to pollution from natural gas drilling. Although the quarantine was ordered in May, it was announced Thursday.

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The incident isn't the first report of farm animals being affected by fracking. As we reported more than a year ago, 16 cattle died in Louisiana after drinking a mysterious fluid next to a drilling rig.

Also =>

[Eric Cartman]