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    Quote Originally Posted by General Mayhem View Post

    I wonder about the renewables... Wind and wave power would either concentrate pollution further around Japan, or spread it faster to the rest of the world. Neither sounds particularly beneficial. Or both. Depending on your point of view.
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    Wind and wave devices would be transparent to pollution whether radioactive or ordinary decent pollution.

    Your comments on the attention span of the tabloid generation are on the mark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pat Gill View Post
    General Mayhem,

    Wind and wave devices would be transparent to pollution whether radioactive or ordinary decent pollution.

    Your comments on the attention span of the tabloid generation are on the mark.
    Pat,

    The devices would be, yes. However both types of device interfere with the natural movement of air and water, also water vapour (clouds).

    There was a photo of the clouds over a wind farm somewhere in the past week or so, showing all the clouds in a line formation. I will try to find it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by General Mayhem View Post
    Pat,

    The devices would be, yes. However both types of device interfere with the natural movement of air and water, also water vapour (clouds).

    There was a photo of the clouds over a wind farm somewhere in the past week or so, showing all the clouds in a line formation. I will try to find it.
    This perhaps



    Now ask yourself where those turbines are situated and why do they sometimes create a condensation trail.

    If you want the looney tunes answer then go to Wattsupwiththat





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    Ha! Yes I came across that one, Jonny is a funny boy.

    I hop around a lot so not sure where I saw it, thought it was on one of the national papers but, can't find it. I would've said the lines were much more straight.

    Looney tunes, maybe, though I think there are good reasons to worry about the current trend in 'sustainable' energy. Newton's Law, mainly.

    If we're abandoning nuclear, then kinetics is the way forward - if we can find a substitute for batteries. We need the lithium for Bugs & Co.

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    Nanoparticle Electrode for Batteries Could Make Grid-Scale Power Storage Feasible (Science Daily)

    Pat can tell you about another exciting technology for storage, GM.
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    Back to topic.

    Here some latest news from Japan:

    Japan priest fights invisible demon: radiation (Reuters, 10 Feb 2012)

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    Radiation, carried on winds and by snow, spread far beyond the 20 km (12 miles) evacuation zone around the plant, nestling in hot spots across the region and contaminating the ground in what remains a largely agricultural region.

    Many of those who fled have no idea when, if ever, they can return to land held by their families for generations.

    "The damage here in Fukushima is different from the destruction caused by the tsunami," Abe said.

    "You can't see it. Nothing looks as if it's changed, but really, radiation is floating through the area. It's hard for those hit by the tsunami, but it's hard to live here too."

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    Nobel Winner Oe Urges Japan to Decommission Nuclear Reactors (Bloomberg, 8 Feb 2012)

    “If we are to take ethical responsibility for children of tomorrow, we need to decide now to abandon all reactors,” the 77-year old author said today at a press conference at the Foreign Correspondents' Club of Japan.

    “Another severe nuclear accident could occur,” said Oe, who is among the nine founding members of the “Sayonara Nuclear Power Plants” campaign launched last June. “There is no proof it won't happen again.”

    The initiative aims to collect 10 million signatures to urge the government to phase out nuclear power generation and shift to clean energy and energy-saving measures. So far, 5 million signatures have been collected, said Satoshi Kamata, a freelance journalist and another founding member.

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    5 million signatures already! That's a lot for a country like Japan.


    Japan's Tepco to suspend all nuclear operations (Market Watch, 9 Feb 2012)

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    Among Japan's 54 commercial reactors, only two will be in operation -- the No. 3 reactor at the Tomari plant in Hokkaido and the No. 3 reactor at the Takahama plant in Fukui Prefecture. Both will go offline for regular checkups by late April.
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    Panel thinks fast-breeder reactor not realistic option for 20-30 yrs

    The experimental nuclear reactor Monju is seen in Tsuruga, Fukui Prefecture, on Nov. 17, 2011. (Mainichi)

    TOKYO (Kyodo) -- A panel of experts reviewing Japan's nuclear fuel cycle policy in the wake of last year's nuclear accident agreed Thursday that while a fuel cycle involving a fast-breeder reactor has some advantages, it cannot be considered as a realistic option for the next 20 to 30 years from a technological viewpoint.

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    Just thought I would drop in and see how this thread was progressing. I suppose the first thing to note is the doomsayers were wrong. The thousands of deaths they were hoping for never happened, the reactors did not explode, the world didn't stop turning and life goes quietly on.

    Never mind, I'm sure the merchants of doom will find another catastrophe to cling to soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAT View Post
    Just thought I would drop in and see how this thread was progressing. I suppose the first thing to note is the doomsayers were wrong. The thousands of deaths they were hoping for never happened, the reactors did not explode, the world didn't stop turning and life goes quietly on.

    Never mind, I'm sure the merchants of doom will find another catastrophe to cling to soon.
    It is a catastrophe which hasn't been solved yet. It has had major impacts on nuclear energy, worldwide. The people over there are still struggling.

    But at least you took your time to write some lines of polemics...
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    Last edited by SirCharles; 29th February 2012 at 11:06 AM.
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