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    Tombo Tombo is offline

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    Lucky we still have enough good ole' fossil fuel generating capacity

    Output at midday yesterday - 13 MW. Yep whole 14 mega Watts from the entire windmill fleet despoiling the Irish countryside.


    Wind Generation | Eirgrid


    Demand around that time of day??? Oh only about 3,500 mega Watts.

    System Demand | Eirgrid




    These carpet baggers must be stopped. In the Brave New World of our local Alarmist Cult members, there would be nobody frequenting this forum for lack of any power whatsoever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tombo View Post
    How is the "Union of Concerned Scientists" (actually a Left wing lobby organisation) qualified to speak on that?
    Yeah, Trollo. Everything what doesn't fit into your cranky bias is "left-wing". We know you for that. We also know you for your anti-science hate campaigns.
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    More wind turbines and decent storage, and Ireland would be much more independent from fossil fuel imports as well as GHG emissions would further fall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tombo View Post
    But if you insist on reverting to a fallacious call to authority then the economists have spoken - the "scientists" are irrelevant and ignorant on these matters. These "green" policies are proving extremly detrimental to our welfare and everywhere else where they are being instituted or enforced. Most obscenely in the developing world.
    Here, you super economist, again. A broad range of studies have been undertaken which are focusing on the links between the EU's economy and the environment. They all can be found on this EU website.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pat Gill View Post
    General Mayhem,

    You havent clicked on the link at the bottom of my posts then.

    Never mind, here it is in plain sight.

    Energy Co-operatives Ireland: energyco-ops.ie Dublin Vertical Axis Wind Turbine Project
    I often view offline.

    Seems like good news except there's no info .

    And aren't we still rolling out the other fella all over the place? When we already know he's crap like? And we already know there's a better option, we just need a wee bit more time to perfect it?

    Re the climate change debate, I think there's another thread for that. But we need all the remaining oil for skin rejuvenation and lubricant so it's kind of irrelevant really.

    And let's plant tons of trees in Africa. For the lulz.
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    What kind of Whiskey is that "offline"? Poitín?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirCharles View Post
    Yeah, Trollo. Everything what doesn't fit into your cranky bias is "left-wing". We know you for that. We also know you for your anti-science hate campaigns.
    Don't dodge the question. How is a scientist remotely qualified to make assertions or claims about economics? You posted the material here as an appeal to authority ( a logical fallacy in itself), so justify it.

    Does that now mean you now do not believe only "climate scientists" have the authority to comment on "scientific" matters?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tombo View Post
    Don't dodge the question. How is a scientist remotely qualified to make assertions or claims about economics? You posted the material here as an appeal to authority ( a logical fallacy in itself), so justify it.

    Does that now mean you now do not believe only "climate scientists" have the authority to comment on "scientific" matters?
    We know that you're an anti-scientist, Trollo. Are you claiming now to be an economist? Then you must have made your millions already and enjoy your life at a sunny place... Wonders me why you bother posting nonsense here then. You should be a rich guy sipping your cocktail at the pool. But I don't think so. What we read are quite cranky posts from a frustrated loather. All negative and anything but constructive.

    BTW. On this page you can find a lot of scientific studies, many of them from real economists. Check it out
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirCharles View Post
    We know that you're an anti-scientist, Trollo. Are you claiming now to be an economist? Then you must have made your millions already and enjoy your life at a sunny place... Wonders me why you bother posting nonsense here then. You should be a rich guy sipping your cocktail at the pool. But I don't think so. What we read are quite cranky posts from a frustrated loather. All negative and anything but constructive.

    BTW. On this page you can find a lot of scientific studies, many of them from real economists. Check it out
    Just one example of many, Trollo.

    => Links between the environment, economy and jobs (2007). GHK in association with Cambridge Econometrics. Maybe you just read the Policy-makers summary (easier for you):

    The study shows that there are strong links between the economy and the environment. These go far beyond the narrow definition of eco-industries traditionally measured. A good quality environment supports many sectors in the economy. Policies to ensure the protection of our environment seem unlikely to provide a drag on the economy, and may easily prove to be a source of new jobs and innovation, a driver of progress, and ultimately help increase the health of our economies and wellbeing of societies


    Economics, Trollo. Real economics.
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