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Thread: Warmer homes: Gormley & Ryan blow €100m on white elephant

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    I woudl argue that Roche's introduction of the plastic bag tax has done and wil do more to help the environmment than gormleys idiotic carbon tax!

    And thats not praising Roche either btw!
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    you need a BER cert to rent out a property but there is no legal requirment to meet any level of insulation .is this correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wexfordman View Post
    I woudl argue that Roche's introduction of the plastic bag tax has done and wil do more to help the environmment than gormleys idiotic carbon tax!

    And thats not praising Roche either btw!
    roche thought people would buy the bags .

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    Quote Originally Posted by goosebump View Post
    The fact that costs didn't go down as much as had been hoped could be simply explained by people using the same amount of fuel as before but not shivering in their beds at night. The analysis doesn't take account of weather differences either.
    The reason it failed is because a large proportion of people living in cold homes are tenants, and cannot initiate improvements on a building they do not own.
    Its a different story in social housing where a lot of poor standards are gradually being improved by councils, but even in those cases tenants that have a long term tenancy and a right to buy may still have difficulty in initiating structural improvements to properties they don't own. The problem is chronic in the private rented sector, look at the Accomodation section on boards.ie, every 2nd post is tenants complaining about substandard heating and being cold, not to mention huge bills for ESB as a result of having no choice but poor quality electric heating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charley View Post
    you need a BER cert to rent out a property but there is no legal requirment to meet any level of insulation .is this correct?
    Thats correct.
    In practice many landlords still don't have BER certs or don't show them unless demanded to because they've scored so badly.

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    Every single "Green" issue and "acheivement" is irrelevant in the context of the damage that Fianna Fail in power does to the whole country, environment included. What good is it to have a flawed insulation scheme when you prop up the party that has mostly been in power while there were not building standards applicable or enforced as regards everyday things like insulation? Do houses in Dublin even yet have to be built with insulation? I have certainly been in recent (about 2/3 years old) developments that are unheatable.

    The Irish Green party in fact have shown a purely "Green" party to be an intrinsically flawed concept. Fundamental policy issues are more important than headline "Green" issues and in fact are the fundamentals for our relationship with the environment too. The only context in which a Green party makes sense is a party of mainstream policies (i.e. a socialist party, or social democratic party, or so on) that has a Green *brand*. From what I can see, the Green party in Ireland has as its *substance*, "Green" window dressing. These mini insignificant pro-environment issues are somehow seen by the party and its supporters as more important than the fundamentals of politics in Ireland, despite the fact that it is the latter that has the greatest impact on our environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lff12 View Post
    Thats correct.
    In practice many landlords still don't have BER certs or don't show them unless demanded to because they've scored so badly.
    i thought there was meant to be inspections and fines for non-compliance

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    Have to agree with another poster cYp, they are NOT well meaning, they are particularly misanthropic (and I should know, I can smell my own) who look down on the 'ordinary people' as evil, carbon emitting resource drains, Gormley is especially malicious, he seems to relish what he considers his intellectual superiority during debates where he constantly waffles trite lines, speaks down to people talks about all the initiatives he has introduced irrespective of whether they were any help at all.

    As for Eamon Ryan, grinning gobsh1te might best describe him. God I despise the pair of them.
    If I could mass-sterilise the planet, I would. Seriously.
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    I thought the buzz word with Greens was sustainability. How it is sustainable to pay someone to drive more efficient car or better insulate their homes?

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