Green alarmism - what drives it and how should democratic electorates respond

[The Caped Cod]

Global Waarming aside, I think we all know people, in the green movement and elsewhere, who do fit the "sense of moral superiority" being described in the thread. You know, the type of people who spend a fortune to fly to India to take pictures of poor people so they can come back and lecture everybody else on the horrors of poverty (the idea of donating the cost of their flight never having crossed the minds).
The Über ecologists who spend their time chastising everyone else is especially annoying and ultimately counter productive to the enviromental movement.
That such people exist is not in doubt. And they exist in many domains where false piety can be achieved so I think the question at hand is the universality of this type of personality within the green movement.

[Húrin]

We need go no further than look at the transaprent lies in the quote in your sig.

So how does it indicate that I believe myself to be so virtuous as to justify both scientific theories and political policies without further explanation?

[Húrin]

Global Waarming aside, I think we all know people, in the green movement and elsewhere, who do fit the "sense of moral superiority" being described in the thread. You know, the type of people who spend a fortune to fly to India to take pictures of poor people so they can come back and lecture everybody else on the horrors of poverty (the idea of donating the cost of their flight never having crossed the minds).

I don't see how this is related to global warming at all. Distasteful as it is.

The Über ecologists who spend their time chastising everyone else is especially annoying and ultimately counter productive to the enviromental movement.

I agree.

That such people exist is not in doubt. And they exist in many domains where false piety can be achieved so I think the question at hand is the universality of this type of personality within the green movement.

You would first have to tell me what the "green movement" is, and then the aggressive posters here would have to tell me why I am at fault for the annoying behaviour of people I don't know.

[Tombo]

Global Waarming aside, I think we all know people, in the green movement and elsewhere, who do fit the "sense of moral superiority" being described in the thread. You know, the type of people who spend a fortune to fly to India to take pictures of poor people so they can come back and lecture everybody else on the horrors of poverty (the idea of donating the cost of their flight never having crossed the minds).
The Über ecologists who spend their time chastising everyone else is especially annoying and ultimately counter productive to the enviromental movement.
That such people exist is not in doubt. And they exist in many domains where false piety can be achieved so I think the question at hand is the universality of this type of personality within the green movement.

The research was interesting in that there appeared to be a projection beyond green issues.

More than just a case of "do what I say, not what I do"

[Tombo]

You would first have to tell me what the "green movement" is, and then the aggressive posters here would have to tell me why I am at fault for the annoying behaviour of people I don't know.

I am not saying their actions are your fault.

What I am saying is consider their behaviours and actions and be more critical where things don't stack up. Accept that the science is the product of people. OPeople like Schneider and that PhD student who are drawn to "doing good works". And that they can and will behave in dubious ways.

I will blame you for trying to whitewash the problems when they are revealed or for even refusing to acknowledge that a dsiturbingly large proportion of influential academics in the discipline could fall victim to those instincts.

Monbiot got half way there with his wailing and nashing of teeth over what was revealed in the Climategate emails.

He falls short though when he try to illogically maintain the "the science is sound" in spite of his acceptance that a frightful chunk of the major producers and gatekeepers of that science are corrupted.

[PAD1OH]

That such people exist is not in doubt. And they exist in many domains where false piety can be achieved so I think the question at hand is the universality of this type of personality within the green movement.

this is without doubt true.

I am sure I could stand outside a posh health food store like Whole Foods in London and ask any of the smug toffs leaving about the massive cars, second homes, shares in arms/aerospace, weekend shopping trips to new york, clothes made in sweatshops how these match up with the intent of their fair-trade latte. I would expect they are mostly Tories too.

but this doesn't tell me much about the complexity of social-psychological aspects of consumption. (cultural norms, socio-technical context, regional and demographic variations, gender, class etc etc)

[Oreo Livermore]

That's exactly what Youngdan did a few months ago before he changed his username, presumably because 95% of the people on this forum had him on Ignore.

Youngdan has admitted to using multiple accounts. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Tombo was one, both posters are almost equally purile and offensive

It is nice to know that you are stll worried about the sea rising. You are one of the few left.

Ye have been shown to be complete loons. Very few posters even bother with your religion any more.


Hey kid, the debate is over. The only fools on Earth paying carbon taxes are the Irish.

Thanks a million, I am off now on a drive to burn some gas with my nice big 5.7 litre V8. BROOM BROOOM BROOOOM BROOOOOOOOM BROOOOOOOOOOOM beep beep


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[fiannafailure]

It is nice to know that you are stll worried about the sea rising. You are one of the few left.

Ye have been shown to be complete loons. Very few posters even bother with your religion any more.


Hey kid, the debate is over. The only fools on Earth paying carbon taxes are the Irish.

Thanks a million, I am off now on a drive to burn some gas with my nice big 5.7 litre V8. BROOM BROOOM BROOOOM BROOOOOOOOM BROOOOOOOOOOOM beep beep


HEHEHEHAHAHAHOHOHOINKOINK


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Dan

As I have pointed out to you several times, if you are happy to finance Al Queda unnecessarily, be my guest.

A nice little Japanese runaround with a go faster stripe will be just as effective in the bedroom department

[Húrin]

Dan

As I have pointed out to you several times, if you are happy to finance Al Queda unnecessarily, be my guest.

A nice little Japanese runaround with a go faster stripe will be just as effective in the bedroom department

According to our own Cassandra, people who don't deny AGW are actually prolonging our dependence on oil!

[Oreo Livermore]

Don't worry about Al Queda. The US gets little oil from the Arabs, mostly from Canada and Mexico. gets as much from Nigeria as Saudi almost.

That why the US gave Pakistan 10 billion, so that the ISS could wire Atta 100000 dollars.

Japanese cars are being recalled, too dangerous. Ford Crown Vic at a minimum is required. They reduced the engine to a puny 4.3 litre though. gas is getting expensive now for the driving season. 2.65 a gallon. Whats that, almost 40 pence a litre.

nearly 10 bob, a lot of money


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