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    I don't know why Tombo is replying to me, I have him on ignore and have no intention of reading anything he says. (don't need to anyway, I know that all it contains are some personal insults and generalised ranting about greens being fascists or whatever) Unfortunately the ignore function doesn't block the threads he posts. Tis a pity
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akrasia View Post
    You guys have an opportunity to dispell the label of denier by using more positive debating tactics (discussing the actual science rather than political tirades) and what is the first thing you do?

    I have Asked repeatedly if you can think of an alternative description for this kind of behaviour other than denier but not one person has even attempted to provide one.
    Any chance you could actually stay on topic here?

    I think that the survey does indeed show a human response to doing "good" or at least what people think are good, it is the "holier than thou" attitude of AGW Alarmists that has successfully helped a whole lot of people realise just what a con job this is. Well done lads, keep it up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tombo View Post
    You need to stop being a bleatinng hypocritical liar.

    This thread is about the propensity of those who advance a "green" ethos to lie and cheat and steal more than the wider population.

    While your very presence on this thread is relvant to that point intself, you faecal prose is not.
    I think the issue most people have is that you bring this up like it's some fantastic revelation when most people stopped talking about it months ago.

    even your friend Monbiot was on about it last year

    We cannot change the world by changing our buying habits | George Monbiot | Environment | guardian.co.uk

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    Quote Originally Posted by truthisfree View Post
    Any chance you could actually stay on topic here?

    I think that the survey does indeed show a human response to doing "good" or at least what people think are good, it is the "holier than thou" attitude of AGW Alarmists that has successfully helped a whole lot of people realise just what a con job this is. Well done lads, keep it up!

    Tombo - do you see what you have done?

    the study is now proof of the evil leftist Al Gore global warming tax scam.

    you're in bed with the idiots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akrasia View Post
    I don't know why Tombo is replying to me, I have him on ignore and have no intention of reading anything he says. (don't need to anyway, I know that all it contains are some personal insults and generalised ranting about greens being fascists or whatever) Unfortunately the ignore function doesn't block the threads he posts. Tis a pity
    Nobody invited you onto this thread moron.

    The way to avoud threads start by me is simply to avoid clicking "view thread".

    Now stop stalking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAD1OH View Post
    I think the issue most people have is that you bring this up like it's some fantastic revelation when most people stopped talking about it months ago.

    even your friend Monbiot was on about it last year

    We cannot change the world by changing our buying habits | George Monbiot | Environment | guardian.co.uk
    Your friend Monbiot of course decides to miss the salient point.

    Self revealed "greens", like Monbiot and alarmingly many people involved in climate science and the IPCC, award themselves a free pass on issues of honesty and morality.

    The paper refers to the "licence effect". You think you are viruous, ergo what aver you want to do or think should be done is justified by definiition.

    It is all over this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tombo View Post
    Nobody invited you onto this thread moron.

    The way to avoud threads start by me is simply to avoid clicking "view thread".

    Now stop stalking.
    hehehe, indeed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tombo View Post
    Your friend Monbiot of course decides to miss the salient point.

    Self revealed "greens", like Monbiot and alarmingly many people involved in climate science and the IPCC, award themselves a free pass on issues of honesty and morality.

    The paper refers to the "licence effect". You think you are viruous, ergo what aver you want to do or think should be done is justified by definiition.

    It is all over this forum.
    100% agreed, I don't even bother debating this issue with them anymore, no point, closed minds completely.

    The "holier than thou" attitude is like arguing with Jehova's, who call you a "denier" if you say that you are an atheist.

    Roll on Global warming (Still not that convinced though) and I can sow my vines I have been waiting to do for two decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tombo View Post
    The paper refers to the "licence effect". You think you are viruous, ergo what aver you want to do or think should be done is justified by definiition.

    It is all over this forum.
    Yes - they came up with the name licencing effect. Wilde had a similar theory in "risk homeostasis"

    The hypothesis of risk homeostasis holds that everyone has his or her own fixed level of acceptable risk. When the level of risk in one part of the individual's life changes, there will be a corresponding rise or fall in risk elsewhere to bring the overall risk back to that individual's equilibrium. Wilde argues that the same is true of larger human systems, e.g. a population of drivers.
    there are lots of other interesting social psycology experiemnts such as those by Milgram.

    they are all interesting and worthy of development but for you to make the assumption that those people that purchase polluting products or those that exploit child labour etc are somehow exempt from telling lies is a bit weak even by your standards.

    there are so many layers of complexity in consumption and ethical consumption this is only scratching the surface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truthisfree View Post
    100% agreed, I don't even bother debating this issue with them anymore, no point, closed minds completely.

    The "holier than thou" attitude is like arguing with Jehova's, who call you a "denier" if you say that you are an atheist.

    Roll on Global warming (Still not that convinced though) and I can sow my vines I have been waiting to do for two decades.
    Haha so true. The mean green loop de loop spin and lies machine

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