Ever wonder why Green and Eco Groups are so pro EU?

[toxic avenger]

I'm pretty EU-sceptic, I'm sure some here will tell you, and have voted 'no' in every European referendum since I came here from England in the 1990s. I am pretty much convinced that AGW, while of course not having jumped from theory to fact, is the most likely explanation for current warming trends - the science is virtually all on its side while the tabloid-esque hysteria, distortion, and downright lies seem to be all on the 'doubters'' side (even granted the East Anglia stupidity - what happened with the e-mails doesn't actually have any bearing on the validity of what they were actually doing there or the truth of their findings, yet it has been turned eagerly into an attempt to completely discredit not only them but also the entire climate modelling field where the findings are not to doubters' liking). Even if there were more of an even divide on the scientific front (and it's overwhelmingly leaning towards AGW), I still couldn't credit that anyone would argue that we should take the sheer risk (the probable deaths of hundreds of thousands, if not more) while there's even a 50-50 chance of it being correct. So here's one EU-sceptic not joining the ranks of the neo-liberal right or the conspiracy-addicts...

[Cassandra Syndrome]

I'm pretty EU-sceptic, I'm sure some here will tell you, and have voted 'no' in every European referendum since I came here from England in the 1990s. I am pretty much convinced that AGW, while of course not having jumped from theory to fact, is the most likely explanation for current warming trends - the science is virtually all on its side while the tabloid-esque hysteria, distortion, and downright lies seem to be all on the 'doubters'' side (even granted the East Anglia stupidity - what happened with the e-mails doesn't actually have any bearing on the validity of what they were actually doing there or the truth of their findings, yet it has been turned eagerly into an attempt to completely discredit not only them but also the entire climate modelling field where the findings are not to doubters' liking). Even if there were more of an even divide on the scientific front (and it's overwhelmingly leaning towards AGW), I still couldn't credit that anyone would argue that we should take the sheer risk (the probable deaths of hundreds of thousands, if not more) while there's even a 50-50 chance of it being correct. So here's one EU-sceptic not joining the ranks of the neo-liberal right or the conspiracy-addicts...

The Neo Liberal right are gladly implementing the Carbon laws / Taxes / Trading etc. It suits their statist, technocracy, control goals. So maybe you are one and don't realise it? (a Tyler Durkan moment!)

Most political thought is now either Neo Liberal or Neo Keynesian, or a hybrid of both. Its all other the umbrella group of Neoclassical political science.

A lot of people you dub as "conspiracy addicts" are simply truth seekers. Most of them if questioned would appear to be outside of the mainstream neo classical economic genre, such as the Austrian School. Austrian school strictly speaking is a left wing libertarian movement as it is opposed to the current status quo of the "system".

BTW - Most "conspiracy addicts" advise people to learn self sufficiency which includes building your own power source using wind and solar power. So being climate sceptics has nothing to do with an ulterior love for carbon. Just a sense of empathy for society and a fear of tyranny being orchrastrated by the Technocrats.

What is it with you AGW heads and political sciences?. This must be the 5th time I explained this.

[evercloserunion]

This is actually one of the most ridiculous threads I've seen in a long while.

[Cassandra Syndrome]

This is actually one of the most ridiculous threads I've seen in a long while.

Well for someone who starts off threads like this, your opinion has no merit as far as I am concerned.

http://www.politics.ie/economy/11871...ml#post2523803

[evercloserunion]

Well for someone who starts off threads like this, your opinion has no merit as far as I am concerned.

http://www.politics.ie/economy/11871...ml#post2523803

Yeah, a thread about Goldman Sachs? What was I thinking, that's nutjob territory no?

Anyway, that thread was me pointing people to something interesting I had read in the FT and inviting opinions. It was not me piecing together a few random pieces of trivia and forming some ludicrous conspiracy theory.

[Cassandra Syndrome]

Yeah, a thread about Goldman Sachs? What was I thinking, that's nutjob territory no?

Anyway, that thread was me pointing people to something interesting I had read in the FT and inviting opinions. It was not me piecing together a few random pieces of trivia and forming some ludicrous conspiracy theory.

By starting the thread like this?

The mad spate of GS-bashing threads lately has annoyed me as much as the next guy but I found this interesting so I might as well throw it on the fire.

Implying that those of us who were shouting from the rafters about this scum were mad bashers? Just because someone has a differing opinion from you about the concerns of the banking system and a Federalised Europe does not make them right wing hillbillies.

Similarly there are fears that there is a strong correlation between the Statist EU and the technocratic Green movement policies of control by stealth of the population. This deserves debate. Simply dismissing it as the most ridiculous thread going after defending the blatant evil and sociopathic behaviour of Goldman Snakes deserves a strong and prompt retort.

[evercloserunion]

Implying that those of us who were shouting from the rafters about this scum were mad bashers? Just because someone has a differing opinion from you about the concerns of the banking system and a Federalised Europe does not make them right wing hillbillies.

A "mad spate" isn't an insult to the people behind the thread. I have a mad craving for McDonalds coffee lately but I don't think myself clinically insane because of it. I just meant a lot of threads being started.

Similarly for "GS-bashing". What exactly do you think you are doing in your posts? It's certainly not GS-praising.

So, in that thread I was not insulting people who dislike GS. You are too sensitive. Similarly, I was not defending GS.

[Passer-by]

A lot of people you dub as "conspiracy addicts" are simply truth seekers.

Equally well, a lot of them are simply crazy.

[Húrin]

It's a pity that the initial assertion that green and eco groups are especially pro-EU, has never been justified.

[soboerring]

EU has funded various environmental NGOs like PAN, EJF, CSE and Thanal inorder to create pressure groups around the world to ban a generic pesticide, Endosulfan and make way for their expensive patented products.

Here is a complete strategy of EU in banning Endosulfan:


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opJyp6KnaJw]YouTube - European Union's strategy in banning Endosulfan[/ame]