And if my auntie had balls she'd be my uncle.Originally Posted by ibis
That was an interesting little diversion. Now, what were the adults talking aobut?
Oh that's right. What is the nature of the relationship betwen green commerical lobby organisations and the EU gravy train.
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Third Assessment Report: “long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.”
Let's see... do environmental groups really "support" the EU?
Nope.Environmental NGOs criticise lack of public participation and transparency of Spanish government in World Fisheries Ministerial Conference
Nope.‘Could Try Harder’ - A mid-term report on the European Commission’s
environmental record. A review produced by the Green 10, a group of leading
environmental NGOs active at EU level
Green Groups in EU Criticize New GE Food Labeling Rules
Nope.
Nope.NGOs criticise corporate influence in the EU
Nope.Environmentalists criticise 'weak' EU proposals;
Nope.EU criticised for 'inadequate' climate fund
Civil society groups worry that if the West does not stump enough cash for adaptation and mitigation, any global climate deal is off
Nope.Campaigners criticise proposals to define palm oil plantations as forests
Four environmental groups have sued the European Union's executive for withholding documents they say will add to a growing dossier of evidence that biofuels harm the environment and push up food prices.
Nope.
The Greens/EFA group, meanwhile, voted against the commission and its joint leader Daniel Cohn-Bendit, who mounted a "stop Barroso campaign" in the autumn, said, "The new Barroso commission has been approved by a coalition of hypocrites in parliament.
So not even...
You know, if you guys took your trousers off your voices would be less muffled.
Never let the best be the enemy of the good.
IOW, the money that all MEPs receive for being MEPs. That money is not given specifically so that MEPs will take a pro-EU line. MEPs represent their voters in the Euro constituencies and so they receive (vast) expenses. These NGOs are being given money by the EU, to lobby the EU. See the difference?
These orgs not going to say "Job well done, EU" as their purpose in lobbying is to pressure the EU in order to push for more environmental legislation. The EU Commission, in paying them to do this, welcomes this criticism as it creates a justification for the writing of new environmental legislation.Let's see... do environmental groups really "support" the EU?
There's always someone with a conspiracy theory that allows them to dismiss the facts. Admittedly, that's one of the stupidest conspiracy theories I've heard.
Never let the best be the enemy of the good.
So you have established that unrepresentative, unelected Green groups actively lobby the EU with massive programs funded by massive slush funds that dwarf "big oil" in order to force policies, spending or regulation they want.
Where does that establish that they want the EU or European commission abolished, or its powers and budget reduced.
Thought not.
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Third Assessment Report: “long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.”
Excuse me, I assumed too much. All we know is that the EU pays environmental NGOs millions of euros to lobby it. We don't know why it does this. Seems kind of odd though. It will certainly result in pressure for the EU to adopt environmental legislation. The European Commission, who drafts much of the EU's major legislation, may end up writing the legislation it paid these NGOs to lobby it to adopt in the first place. Curious, no?There's always someone with a conspiracy theory that allows them to dismiss the facts. Admittedly, that's one of the stupidest conspiracy theories I've heard.
Neither Green parties, nor the Green group in the EP, nor green NGOs are uncritical of the EU. Having demonstrated that, it's time for the goalposts to move - Tombo now wants environmental groups to call for the abolition of the EU in order to qualify as "not supportive".
In more old news, right wing agenda monkeys stick to debunked agenda that conflicts with easily discovered facts. Give it up, lads - you're wasting what little credibility you still have.
Never let the best be the enemy of the good.
Do you understand the difference between lobbying an organisation and supporting it?
Show us where there are criticisms of the EU as an institution, not simply its policies. That is the subject of the thread dimwit.
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Third Assessment Report: “long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.”
Every democratic government in the world gives money to groups that then lobby them, and, much like the EU, to a sufficiently broad spectrum to provide balance. The EU gives money to environmental NGOs that lobby for environmental legislation, but it also gives much much more money to farmers, who generally oppose environmental legislation, and to businesses, who also often oppose it.
To take a simple example, the Common Fisheries Policy has been opposed throughout its entire life by environmental NGOs (I don't know of any that support it), yet there it still is, running down fish stocks half a century later.
Never let the best be the enemy of the good.
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