Solar Minimum 2009, Global Cooling and the Record Breaking Winter

[Cassandra Syndrome]

Much of this is media hype, I suspect. The mail in particular, which you linked to in your post, has a reputation in the UK for hyping weather events.
Its possible the unusual weather patterns are a side-effect of the prolonged solar minimum. But, as Tombo just stated a few posts back, this is just weather. It would need to be sustained for several years, on global scale, for it to be 'global cooling'.
As has been stated many times now, heavy snow does not imply record breaking cold, but is the cold equivalent of intense rainfall events. Its very possible the places affected by the snow this week, will end up with above average temperatures for the season as a whole.

I linked the Guardian as well earlier for the sake of irony. THe Southern Hemisphere had an inactive tropical storm season. I have linked thousands of articles from around the world in this section for the past 3 months.

And as for heavy prolonged periods of snow, what other conditions can they occur other than cold air?

Britian and Ireland had particularly heavy snow this year and this is the coldest winter since 1963. If we have another Dalton Minimum, there will be another mini Ice age.

So the issue of CO2 emissions is not to do with Global Warming, but how it could affect our ecosystem. Thats were the focus of study should be.

Renewable energy is cheap clean and fantastic. Lets focus on moving to that objective. But to get to that objective we need to burn fossil fuels to set up the capital items that can harness renewable energy.

[Tombo]

Renewable energy is cheap clean and fantastic.

I am particularly interested in how you arrived at that conclusion.

[Cassandra Syndrome]

I am particularly interested in how you arrived at that conclusion.

It doesn't cost that much to buy the materials for creating your own self sufficient electricity source from solar and wind. There are good manuals out there to DIY. The combination is enough to drive up to 10 kwatts of energy, thats enough at any one time for all your household appliances.

Its government intervention that has made renewable energy another self interested bubble.

Its ironic that the AGW heads throw stones at the so called "right wing" conspiracy theory nutjobs for being climate sceptics, when these very people are advising you to learn self sufficiency and provide lots of info on how to power your own home using solar and wind power.

[Tombo]

It doesn't cost that much to buy the materials for creating your own self sufficient electricity source from solar and wind. There are good manuals out there to DIY. The combination is enough to drive up to 10 kwatts of energy, thats enough at any one time for all your household appliances.

Its government intervention that has made renewable energy another self interested bubble.

Its ironic that the AGW heads throw stones at the so called "right wing" conspiracy theory nutjobs for being climate sceptics, when these very people are advising you to learn self sufficiency and provide lots of info on how to power your own home using solar and wind power.

It costs a bucket load of money to set up your own solar or wind generation. soalr is estimated to have around a 100 year payback on equipment with around a 30 year life.

What is more important is that you can not be self sufficient for electricity using solar and/or wind. impossible.

[Akrasia]

Expect dazzling reply with map of world showing red and blue dots...

Otherwise known as evidence.

How about links to a previous year when there has been such widespread snowfalls and freezing conditions across the Northern Hemisphere in a winter?

otherwise known as totally clueless to the fact that global warming is a global phenomenon and regional weather patterns, cherrypicked (ie, ignoring all the abnormally warm regions) and taken in isolation, do not prove or disprove anything.

[brigg]

I linked the Guardian as well earlier for the sake of irony. THe Southern Hemisphere had an inactive tropical storm season. I have linked thousands of articles from around the world in this section for the past 3 months.

And as for heavy prolonged periods of snow, what other conditions can they occur other than cold air?

Britian and Ireland had particularly heavy snow this year and this is the coldest winter since 1963. If we have another Dalton Minimum, there will be another mini Ice age.

Extreme weather events happen pretty regularly somewhere or other. It is only because of the AGW debate, that both sides are hyping anything remotely unusual to suit their own ends.
If there had been extreme snowfall in the Mediterranean in March 10 years ago, it would have gone largely unnoticed here, with the exception of those who have a genuine interest in weather.

Britain and Ireland had the coldest winter since 63 because of the prolonged nature of the cold, rather than its intensity. The most extreme cold in several hundred years was a short cold blast that occurred in January 1987. This is legendary amongst weather fanatics, but long forgotten by everyone else.
In January 1982 a freak snow storm hit eastern Ireland, nothing remotely like it has happened since. This winter had paltry amounts of snow in comparison.

January 2007 and 2008 were exceptionally mild in Ireland, and April 2007 was record-breakingly warm. In June and July 2005, and 2006, Ireland experienced some brilliant heatwaves. These are all long forgotten now, because of a couple of wet summers and a cold winter. What short memories we all have.

[Tombo]

Otherwise known as evidence.


otherwise known as totally clueless to the fact that global warming is a global phenomenon and regional weather patterns, cherrypicked (ie, ignoring all the abnormally warm regions) and taken in isolation, do not prove or disprove anything.

Like proclaiming the "hottest day evvvaaa!!!"??

Or maybe the day manmade climate change flattend New Orleans?

Etc.

etc.

etc.

[Tombo]

Extreme weather events happen pretty regularly somewhere or other. It is only because of the AGW debate, that both sides are hyping anything remotely unusual to suit to their own ends.
If there had been extreme snowfall in the Med in March 10 years ago, it would have gone largely unnoticed here, with the exception of those with a genuine interest in weather.

Britain and Ireland had the coldest winter since 63 because of the prolonged nature of the cold, rather than its intensity. The most extreme cold in several hundred years was a short cold blast that occurred in January 1987. This is legendary amongst weather fanatics, but long forgotten by everyone else.
In January 1982 a freak snow storm hit eastern Ireland, nothing remotely like it has happened since. This winter had paltry amounts of snow in comparison.

January 2007 and 2008 were exceptionally mild in Ireland, and April 2007 was record-breakingly warm. In June and July 2005, and 2006, Ireland experienced some brilliant heatwaves. These are all long forgotten now, because of a couple of wet summers and a cold winter. What short memories we all have.

Let's be honest here. Most of the hyping of weather events comes from one side of the debate.

Sceptics like to lampoon the alarmists scaremongers with confabulating events when they occur, just for the sport. Like John the Gibbon and my personal stalker Akrasia here, most get in an aweful flap.

[JCR]

Let's be honest here. Most of the hyping of weather events comes from one side of the debate.

Sceptics like to lampoon the alarmists scaremongers with confabulating events when they occur, just for the sport. Like John the Gibbon and my personal stalker Akrasia here, most get in an aweful flap.

Its not true to say that most of the hyping of weather events come from the AGW side.

Lampooning, just for sport eh? Whats the point of even reading wehat you have to say? What a total waste of time. Also, you completely missed the relevance of the post you have replied to. Totally. Deliberately. Yawn.

[Tombo]

Its not true to say that most of the hyping of weather events come from the AGW side.

Lampooning, just for sport eh? Whats the point of even reading wehat you have to say? What a total waste of time. Also, you completely missed the relevance of the post you have replied to. Totally. Deliberately. Yawn.

You think?

Here is something extremely unscientific, but fun nonetheless.

hottest day proves climate change - Google Search

coldest day disproves climate change - Google Search

I make that about an 11-1 ratio.