Chernobyl blamed for everything

[jcdf]

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I was a nuke head for a long time and whilst it is not intentional the lure of limitless energy seems to dominate the debate amongst nuclear supporters.

As I do not know any of the nuke heads in this forum personally my comment was not meant in a personal capacity, rather I suppose it was a plea to consider energy efficiency as an important as energy generation.

Energy efficiency is already occurring a great deal. You go into D.I.D. and look at their electrical products they will tell you how energy efficient they all are. It is also to be noted that the average efficiency of these products is increasing all the time.

New improved energy efficient light bulbs are being invented but the ones people will adopt will not be the government approved CFL junk that is being enforced on us. If people are forced to buy them they will simply bin them as soon as the more viable bulbs come along. All those CFL bulbs will have been wasted and remember that much of the energy used by a bulb is in it's manufacture. So you are wasting energy, which is not very conservational.

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It has just come to my attention that Adi Roach is going around this country and in GB giving lectures to school children on the tragedy of Chernobyl in particular and the evils of nuclear power in general.
While I have little problem with her attempt to wring the last few euro possible out of the debacle that was Chernobyl, I have a major beef with her crusade to poison the minds of young Irish children with alarmist, unscientific and misleading information.
This type of scaremongering is appalling and I am surprised at the school authorities allowing it.
We,as a nation will pay a high price if, because of this ladies work, future generations of Irish people reject nuclear power in favor of dirty coal.
[The only real alternative]
I also see that the Irish government appointed her to the Radiological Protection Institute of Ireland. I am all for diversity of opinion on these boards but surely this is a bit like appointing the Chief Rabbi to the Pork Development Council.

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It has just come to my attention that Adi Roach is going around this country and in GB giving lectures to school children on the tragedy of Chernobyl in particular and the evils of nuclear power in general.
While I have little problem with her attempt to wring the last few euro possible out of the debacle that was Chernobyl, I have a major beef with her crusade to poison the minds of young Irish children with alarmist, unscientific and misleading information...

Can you link to any "alarmist, unscientific and misleading information" that Adi Roche is responsible for?

Is it not the case that you are poisoning this thread with alarmist, unscientific and misleading information about Adi Roche?

[cry freedom]

Can you link to any "alarmist, unscientific and misleading information" that Adi Roche is responsible for?

Is it not the case that you are poisoning this thread with alarmist, unscientific and misleading information about Adi Roche?

Here you are then!

al.com/school_educatiohttp://www.chernobylinternationn/schools_programme.514.html

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Here you are then!

al.com/school_educatiohttp://www.chernobylinternationn/schools_programme.514.html

I think you meant to post this link. I'm wondering if you have read what's there, on the website of the Chernobyl Children's Project.

I'm waiting for you to point out any "alarmist, unscientific and misleading information" that Adi Roche is responsible for. I cannot find any such thing.

I think the most relevant pages there are:
Information Sheets - Chernobyl Children's Project International
https://www.chernobyl-international....saster.43.html
https://www.chernobyl-international....aster.462.html
https://www.chernobyl-international....hagus.470.html
(It's best to use the links on the left of the CCP pages.)

[cry freedom]

I think you meant to post this link. I'm wondering if you have read what's there, on the website of the Chernobyl Children's Project.

I'm waiting for you to point out any "alarmist, unscientific and misleading information" that Adi Roche is responsible for. [COLOR="Black"]I[FONT="Arial Black"] cannot find any such thing[/COLOR].[/FONT]
I think the most relevant pages there are:
Information Sheets - Chernobyl Children's Project International
https://www.chernobyl-international....saster.43.html
https://www.chernobyl-international....aster.462.html
https://www.chernobyl-international....hagus.470.html
(It's best to use the links on the left of the CCP pages.)

Beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder!
It would be much easier if you asked me what is [FONT="Arial Black"]right [/FONT]with it.
However give me a little time and I will get back to you.

[cry freedom]

I think you meant to post this link. I'm wondering if you have read what's there, on the website of the Chernobyl Children's Project.

I'm waiting for you to point out any "alarmist, unscientific and misleading information" that Adi Roche is responsible for. I cannot find any such thing.

I think the most relevant pages there are:
Information Sheets - Chernobyl Children's Project International
https://www.chernobyl-international....saster.43.html
https://www.chernobyl-international....aster.462.html
https://www.chernobyl-international....hagus.470.html
(It's best to use the links on the left of the CCP pages.)

Below are listed some of the claims made in Adi Roache's lectures to school children:

100% increase in the incidence of cancer and leukemia--[FONT="Arial Black"]Untrue[/FONT]
250% increase in congenital birth deformities---[FONT="Arial Black"]Untrue [/FONT]
1,000% increase in suicide in the contaminated zones ---[FONT="Arial Black"]Untrue[/FONT]
2,400% increase in the incidence of thyroid cancer--- [FONT="Arial Black"]This is true though woefully exaggerated. More on this later![/FONT]
Congenital heart and circulatory diseases – 25% increase ---[FONT="Arial Black"]Untrue [/FONT]
Disorders of the digestive organs – 28% increase ---[FONT="Arial Black"]Untrue[/FONT]
Malignant tumors – 38% increase ---[FONT="Arial Black"]Untrue[/FONT]
Disorders of the genito-urinary system – 39% increase--- [FONT="Arial Black"]Untrue[/FONT]
Disorders of the nervous system and sensory organs – 43% increase---[FONT="Arial Black"]Untrue[/FONT]
Blood circulatory illnesses – 43% increase---Untrue
Disorders of the bone, muscle and connective tissue system – 62% increase----[FONT="Arial Black"]Untrue[/FONT]
I base this response on the Unscear 2000 report.
While I can forgive Ms. Roache's organization for some of the above, [ The statistics are dull, muddled and often contradictory] I cannot understand why she takes it upon herself to go around to our schools and rail against nuclear power in general because of the debacle that was Chernobyl.
She did not, as far as I know, campaign against the import of oil after the Whiddy Island disaster.
She would,I suggest,be better employed railing against the evils of the old Soviet Empire in general than against nuclear power in particular.

[jcdf]

She would,I suggest,be better employed railing against the evils of the old Soviet Empire in general than against nuclear power in particular.

There is no way Ms. Roache's would do that! If backed into a corner and given no choice but to answer and given that history has indisputably proven it, she might grudgingly admit that the Soviet Empire was bad. It would be painful though.

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... Disorders of the bone, muscle and connective tissue system – 62% increase----[FONT="Arial Black"]Untrue[/FONT]
I base this response on the Unscear 2000 report.

You're quite entitled to refer to the Unscear report; the trouble is you seem to take it as gospel truth. There are other sources of information. You'd want to bear in mind that most of the members of Unscear are nuclear states; they're bound to be biased in favour of nuclear power.

Your insinuation that Adi Roche doesn't know what she's talking about is ridiculous. If she was that ignorant, why have the other members of the Radiological Protection Institute of Ireland (some of whom are pro-nuclear) put up with her for so many years?

While I can forgive Ms. Roache's organization for some of the above, [ The statistics are dull, muddled and often contradictory] I cannot understand why she takes it upon herself to go around to our schools and rail against nuclear power in general because of the debacle that was Chernobyl.

She's anti-nuclear, she's serious about the issue, and she's right. And she doesn't stand idly by.

She did not, as far as I know, campaign against the import of oil after the Whiddy Island disaster.

That sort of remark makes you look ridiculous.

She would,I suggest,be better employed railing against the evils of the old Soviet Empire in general than against nuclear power in particular.

That weakens your case even further.

jcdf's insinuation that Adi is pro-communist is equally ridiculous.

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quote=soubresauts;2580471]You're quite entitled to refer to the Unscear report; the trouble is you seem to take it as gospel truth. There are other sources of information. You'd want to bear in mind that most of the members of Unscear are nuclear states; they're bound to be biased in favour of nuclear power.

Yes, absolutely idiots like the French,Japanese,Finns and the Chinese.To name but a few! All of whom are so less clever than us Irish that they deliberately set about poisoning their own people just for the hell of it. Gobshytes all?

Your insinuation that Adi Roche doesn't know what she's talking about is ridiculous. If she was that ignorant, why have the other members of the Radiological Protection Institute of Ireland (some of whom are pro-nuclear) put up with her for so many years

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Come on now! Either you are naive entirely or you do not know much about how appointments to boards in this country work. FAS anybody? I am not saying that the lady is either incompetent or corrupt. Far from it! But I fail to see how running a charity qualifies one for a highly technical post like the RPII

She's anti-nuclear, she's serious about the issue, and she's right. And she doesn't stand idly by

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Can I quote D. Richard Anderson, one of the finest environmental engineers the US [or any other country] has ever produced;
"One day God could say to us; I gave you the brainiest men and women in human history to come up with an understanding of the atom and its nucleus.
I gave you enough uranium and thorium to last you for thousands of years.
I gave you you an understanding of how when uranium decays it releases energy.You had everything you needed to provide energy for yourselves and your descendants without harming the environment. What else did you [FONT="Arial Black"]want[/FONT]?"

That sort of remark makes you look ridiculous.

Oh, I don't know about that now!
50 people were initially killed in Whiddy compared with 56 in Chernobyl.
These unfortunate people died differently but at the end of the day they are still all dead.

That weakens your case even further

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Why?

jcdf's insinuation that Adi is pro-communist is equally ridiculous.

Why?