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    Power lines and health

    I brought some visitors to Ireland on a trip around the Boyne valley recently, we visited the hill of Tara, Nowth, Dowth and Newgrange and as a bit of ancient Ireland anorak I thought that I had given my friends a good informative day out, however the journey home was taken up with a discussion on the very prominent home made signs littering the Boyne valley protesting about the new transmission lines that will form the southern arm of the North / South interconnector.

    Dont give us Cancer, No pylons, Bury the Cables, No to Cancer. Painted onto everything from bales of silage to graffitti on walls.

    What planet do these people live on and who is spreading such rubbish.

    Over the past few decades over 25,000 studies have been done on the health effects of ELF fields and they have failed to find any evidence of a health risk from these fields.

    What is happening here ?
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    They are worried about their scenic views and they turn to spreading lies to protect them, thats about it.

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    There is a lot of information from reputable sources such as the U.S.EPA to suggest that radiation from power lines is at least a cause for concern.
    EPA suspects ELF fields can cause cancer.

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    Well concern about scenic views obviously dont extend to litter and graffitti then.
    Regards, Pat Gill

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    Its all a racket to seek compensation

    Its all a racket to seek compensation

    A lot of planning permissions have been sought along the route of the the power-lines

    All grist to the mill of more compo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sierra View Post
    They are worried about their scenic views and they turn to spreading lies to protect them, thats about it.
    Let me get this straight....

    - rusty, filthy, forty foot tall, corrugated steel hay shed - scenic

    - having a yard filled with old tractor parts, discarded ten litre plastic buckets, broken furniture and neglected mangy house pets - scenic

    - using an old radiator as a gate to your field - scenic

    -felling every tree in the country to put three sheep in every acre and cash agricultural welfare cheques for a living - scenic

    - being an openly campaigning supporter of drunk driving - scenic

    - using absurdly oversized motorised transport to get everywhere you go - scenic

    - polluting every stream, river and brook in the country with the toxic run off from your poisoned crops - scenic

    - murdering eagles - scenic

    - hay bails wrapped in giant black plastic bags - scenic

    - filling every available area of your land with hideous McMansions which were built for your offspring but mysteriously appear, overpriced, on the open market six months later, unlived in - scenic

    - power lines which allow you to survive in the harsh Irish climate - unscenic

    Interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Half Nelson View Post
    There is a lot of information from reputable sources such as the U.S.EPA to suggest that radiation from power lines is at least a cause for concern.
    EPA suspects ELF fields can cause cancer.
    Half Nelson

    From your link

    The eight strongest epidemiologic studies, all involving children, "consistently found modestly elevated risks (some statistically significant) of leukemia, cancer of the nervous system and, to a lesser extent, lymphomas," the EPA report states. Those results do not seem attributable to confounding factors or biases generated by study design, according to the report.
    From the British Medical Journal

    The electric power system produces extremely low frequency electric and magnetic fields. Since 1979 there has been concern that these fields may be associated with cancer.1 Concern has concentrated on magnetic rather than electric fields and on childhood leukaemia in particular. A pooled analysis of nine studies that met specified quality criteria found that children living in homes with 24 hour average fields of ≥ 0.4 µT have twice the risk of leukaemia.2
    Childhood cancer in relation to distance from high voltage power lines in England and Wales: a case-control study -- Draper et al. 330 (7503): 1290 -- BMJ

    The important metric to keep in mind is that figure of 0.4 µT, the child would have to be living underneath a power line to receive that dosage, much more relevent here would be incorrectly wired houses or the babies cot being situated underneath the domestic fuseboard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sauntersplash View Post
    Let me get this straight....

    - rusty, filthy, forty foot tall, corrugated steel hay shed - scenic

    - having a yard filled with old tractor parts, discarded ten litre plastic buckets, broken furniture and neglected mangy house pets - scenic

    - using an old radiator as a gate to your field - scenic

    -felling every tree in the country to put three sheep in every acre and cash agricultural welfare cheques for a living - scenic

    - being an openly campaigning supporter of drunk driving - scenic

    - using absurdly oversized motorised transport to get everywhere you go - scenic

    - polluting every stream, river and brook in the country with the toxic run off from your poisoned crops - scenic

    - murdering eagles - scenic

    - hay bails wrapped in giant black plastic bags - scenic

    - filling every available area of your land with hideous McMansions which were built for your offspring but mysteriously appear, overpriced, on the open market six months later, unlived in - scenic

    - power lines which allow you to survive in the harsh Irish climate - unscenic

    Interesting.
    i take it you dislike farmers,
    as for murdering eagles evidence please

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    Well, if of any assistance, I had a client once who wished to sue a certain telecoms provider and the ESB for the electomagnetic radiation she was suffering under. Apparently her mental illness was caused, in it's entirety, by such emanations.

    She did, unfortunately, sport a tin foil hat, I kid you not. Another issue being that the WHO don't accept it as a medical issue.
    "......... we must sometimes listen to those who, consumed with zeal, have scant judgment or balance. To such ones the modern world is nothing but betrayal and ruin.........We feel bound to disagree with these prophets of doom who are forever forecasting calamity -- as though the world's end were imminent."

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