Dublin City Council commissions bogus ESRI report on Incineration - clueless gimps!

[DCon]

Gormley will be telling fibs and half-truths on Newstalk in 1 minute

[Malbekh]

It was interesting listening to Gormley's interview on RTE just recently. Sean O'Rourke noted that Gormley has a 'no incinerator here' sticker on his home window. 'How can you be so sure' says Gormley. 'Well, do you have one or not?' 'Yes, but interesting to know that' says Gormley obviously horrified that some media people are looking to see what's he stuck on his windows.....

Anyway, Gormley says he is not politically motivated in trying to scrap or reduce the size of the incinerator, which is totally untrue. Actually, and John, you can go after me for this, you're lying. This is completely politically motivated and anybody who thinks otherwise is using complete SPiN.

The really, really funny thing was Gormley complaining that DCC had pushed through the deal on the day or days before the coalition government was formed, so they could say they were following government policy. That's terrible. That's almost as bad as Dick Roche signing off the papers for the N3 bypass before Gormley could take his ministerial seat.

Also, Gormley was on about the fact that he wants to concentrate on MBT plants (Mechanical Biological Treatment) to handle certain waste materials, and indeed opened one only recently in Navan. Who operates this plant? Why Panda do. Is there a connection? No, other than the fact that Panda are one of the companies that raised the recent successful objection to try and halt the site or reduce its capacity.

This is big business talking here, We've got a battle against the existing waste management companies and a new bully on the block in the shape of Covanta. Then we have the political fallout between DCC and John Gormley. And now we have other government agencies involved like the National Development Finance Agency that agreed that the project was good value for money in 2007 and now the ESRI have made Gormley look like a complete mug.

This all stinks, and I mean that in every phrase of the word.

[VeryVert]

Eh SPN,as I'm sure you well know the City Cllrs had nothing to do with the decision about incinerators- that decision is taken by the City Manager and it has been opposed by the cllrs every step of the way.

Now, that's not exactly true is it?

Back in the late 1990s (when the Greens had representation on Dublin City Council), Labour councillors - under the leadership of one Tommie Broughan - supported the City Waste Bill, including the 'waste to energy' policy.

This was against the pleas from the Greens and also contrary to the policies of a civil alliance, to which the Greens and Labour were signatories. They also failed to support an amendment from a Green cllr Donna Cooney to excluded incineration from the city waste policy.

So we find ourselves with construction about to begin on a 600,000 tonne monster in ringsend thanks in a large part to the political cowardice of councillors from the Labour party a decade ago.

In the last term Labour's MEP for Dublin Pronsias de Rossa supported the promotion of incineration in votes in the European Parliament (along with his FF and FG colleagues, so Ms Creighton can keep her trap shut, and as for Mr Andews - the term 'shameless opportunist' doesn't even begin to come close).

And let's not forget that the option of incineration first entered statute in the Waste Management Act, 1996, which was drafted by... none other than the then Minister for the Environment, Labour's Brendan Howlin.

Reality bites indeed.

[cllr]

[QUOTE=VeryVert;2430542]Now, that's not exactly true is it?

Back in the late 1990s (when the Greens had representation on Dublin City Council), Labour councillors - under the leadership of one Tommie Broughan - supported the City Waste Bill, including the 'waste to energy' policy.

This was against the pleas from the Greens and also contrary to the policies of a civil alliance, to which the Greens and Labour were signatories. They also failed to support an amendment from a Green cllr Donna Cooney to excluded incineration from the city waste policy.

So we find ourselves with construction about to begin on a 600,000 tonne monster in ringsend thanks in a large part to the political cowardice of councillors from the Labour party a decade ago.

In the last term Labour's MEP for Dublin Pronsias de Rossa supported the promotion of incineration in votes in the European Parliament (along with his FF and FG colleagues, so Ms Creighton can keep her trap shut, and as for Mr Andews - the term 'shameless opportunist' doesn't even begin to come close).

VeryVert,

I will just comment on the first part of your post because it does not tell an accurate story.

At the time the Draft Waste Plan was adopted provision was made for an exploration of the role of Incineration. The intention being that an examination of the factual position would take place before final agreement on the Plan.

In fact one of the reasons why a subsequent motion on the issue from then Cllr Eamon Ryan was ruled out seeking the abandonment of the Incinerator was that given that no decision had been taken to have an Incinerator none could be taken to get rid of one.

Before we could adopt or amend or indeed reject the Final Waste Plan the power was removed from us.

Finally while different people have different views on the issue of Incineration per se I have an open mind on it. My problem with the Poolbeg Incinerator is the location. It makes no sense on transport grounds, on environmental grounds. No sense in the context of the E500million clean up of the Bay, the plans for Poolbeg generally and the Nature park.

[OceanFrog]

It was interesting listening to Gormley's interview on RTE just recently. Sean O'Rourke noted that Gormley has a 'no incinerator here' sticker on his home window. 'How can you be so sure' says Gormley. 'Well, do you have one or not?' 'Yes, but interesting to know that' says Gormley obviously horrified that some media people are looking to see what's he stuck on his windows.....

Anyway, Gormley says he is not politically motivated in trying to scrap or reduce the size of the incinerator, which is totally untrue. Actually, and John, you can go after me for this, you're lying. This is completely politically motivated and anybody who thinks otherwise is using complete SPiN.

The really, really funny thing was Gormley complaining that DCC had pushed through the deal on the day or days before the coalition government was formed, so they could say they were following government policy. That's terrible. That's almost as bad as Dick Roche signing off the papers for the N3 bypass before Gormley could take his ministerial seat.

Also, Gormley was on about the fact that he wants to concentrate on MBT plants (Mechanical Biological Treatment) to handle certain waste materials, and indeed opened one only recently in Navan. Who operates this plant? Why Panda do. Is there a connection? No, other than the fact that Panda are one of the companies that raised the recent successful objection to try and halt the site or reduce its capacity.

This is big business talking here, We've got a battle against the existing waste management companies and a new bully on the block in the shape of Covanta. Then we have the political fallout between DCC and John Gormley. And now we have other government agencies involved like the National Development Finance Agency that agreed that the project was good value for money in 2007 and now the ESRI have made Gormley look like a complete mug.

This all stinks, and I mean that in every phrase of the word.

Well said Malbekh ... I heard the Gormley interview and I was just about to post something very similar to you.

You took the words right out of my mouth... Excellent post.

[eskerman]

Does anybody know who the process design engineers were on Ringsend Digesters at phase one of that project in 1998ish..?

[charley]

there's enough rubbish in the country for everyone ,to think that this incinerator was only for dulblin's rubbish would be naive, the operating company would have already researched the availability of waste from other local authorities. this is just another example of john gormley being totally underqualified for his job.

[redhead101]

Like, HELLO!!!!!!

So, enjoying the latest episodes of 'Glee' are we?

[hammer]

They are not gimps.

They predicted in 2008 that we would be building 48,000 houses / apartments a year between 2010 and 2020.

They are very accurate with their analysis

[OceanFrog]

there's enough rubbish in the country for everyone ,to think that this incinerator was only for dulblin's rubbish would be naive, the operating company would have already researched the availability of waste from other local authorities. this is just another example of john gormley being totally underqualified for his job.

Exactly.

What are the possibilities of waste being imported from abroad to feed the Ringsend incinerator? I would say its a strong possibility ...