2009 2nd warmest year on record

[fiannafailure]

Good question, I genuinely believe that we will burn every fossil fuel available on this planet sooner or later and nobody or nothing can stop it or slow it down for that matter.

Nothing can stop it ? correct.

Slow it down ? economics will accomplish that.

Take Saudi Arabia as an example, many people believe that it is a one trick pony and must keep exporting at market prices to keep its economy afloat, not true, Saudi Arabia has mineral resources a plenty, and the countries rulers are now doing their sums, if we supply the market now we make X, if we hold back production and sell it later we will make X+, and we can sustain the economy by making use of......

Saudi minerals: an untapped gold mine for privatization | Saudi Arabia News | AMEinfo.com

As I said previously peak oil is a movable feast.

[Akrasia]

Akrasia, assuming that you are not someone taking the piss, what are your proposals for remediation of the problem ?

I have outlined my ideal solution on a different thread, Personalised carbon credits where a safe level of carbon dioxide emissions is rationed equally amongst the worlds people who can choose to use them themselves, or sell them to others who live more polluting lifestyle.

It's an equitable version of carbon trading that puts the people first, preserves freedom of choice and generates an instant market for renewable and carbon neutral products and services. I have no idea why the free market capitalists on here would oppose such a system other than unwillingness to move away from their entrenched position of hating environmentalists)

Alternatively if this is impossible, I would support (revenue neutral) government intervention, taxing polluting industries, subsidising renewables and funding research into sustainable technology

[markjbloggs]

Oh no, now there's global warming on the sun - SOLARCYCLE 24.com / Solar Cycle 24 / Spaceweather / Amateur Radio VHF Aurora Website.

Get a life, dude......

According to NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, the results for 2009 are in and 2009 is now ranked 2nd hottest year in over a decade, second to 2005



According to the denialists. we are in a '11 year cooling trend'
How can we be in a "11 year cooling trend" if we've just had the second warmest year on instrumental record?

meanwhile, the Sun is at a solar minimum activity
Spin that deniers....
2009 - 2nd hottest year on record while sun is coolest in a century
(oh yeah, sorry I forgot, scientists can't be trusted, we can only trust the Heartland Institute and the Heritage Foundation)
oh and in case the deniers claim I 'refuse' to provide links to my sources, it's Data @ NASA GISS: GISS Surface Temperature Analysis: Graphs

[Gimpanzee]

Nothing can stop it ? correct.

Slow it down ? economics will accomplish that.

Focus on developing cost effective large scale carbon scrubbers like wind farms. At the moment the cost would be too high, but doing a Manhattan/Apollo Project on it could get results within a couple of decades. Reducing emissions to say 1990 level won't solve the problem on its own and isn't a runner by the looks of things, no matter how desirable. And as has been pointed out here, it's unlikely that whatever fossil fuels that are available won't be burned up.

[fiannafailure]

Focus on developing cost effective large scale carbon scrubbers like wind farms. At the moment the cost would be too high, but doing a Manhattan/Apollo Project on it could get results within a couple of decades. Reducing emissions to say 1990 level won't solve the problem on its own and isn't a runner by the looks of things, no matter how desirable. And as has been pointed out here, it's unlikely that whatever fossil fuels that are available won't be burned up.

Absolute Crap my friend

[Gimpanzee]

Absolute Crap my friend

Be specific please

[fiannafailure]

I have outlined my ideal solution on a different thread, Personalised carbon credits where a safe level of carbon dioxide emissions is rationed equally amongst the worlds people who can choose to use them themselves, or sell them to others who live more polluting lifestyle.

It's an equitable version of carbon trading that puts the people first, preserves freedom of choice and generates an instant market for renewable and carbon neutral products and services. I have no idea why the free market capitalists on here would oppose such a system other than unwillingness to move away from their entrenched position of hating environmentalists)

Alternatively if this is impossible, I would support (revenue neutral) government intervention, taxing polluting industries, subsidising renewables and funding research into sustainable technology

How about simply doing the sustainable approach. Only emerging technologies need subvention and there are enough techs at an economic stage of development now to get the ball running

[sharper]

What's with the "taking the piss" and "get a life" comments in this thread? I don't understand the objection to this data at all.

[fiannafailure]

Be specific please

My own organisation have brought the installed cost of onshore wind below the best new entrant price of thermal. We are now working on large scale pumped storage which negates the need for thermal back up of wind energy.

And very soon we will be tackling the problem of perceptions in the general public, in concert with the changes necessary in the regulatory system.

And we have now started to work very seriously on the socialisation of renewable energy.

[markjbloggs]

It's not the data I'm having a go at, but the self-righteous rant that accompanied it -

"oh yeah, sorry I forgot, scientists can't be trusted, we can only trust the Heartland Institute and the Heritage Foundation) oh and in case the deniers claim I 'refuse' to provide links to my sources"

What's with the "taking the piss" and "get a life" comments in this thread? I don't understand the objection to this data at all.