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    Quote Originally Posted by Húrin View Post
    In fairness unlike SOTR I don't see anywhere that Field Marshal has announced that he is a young earth creationist.
    He does not accept the theory of evolution, that's all I'm interested in. The fact that he is prepared to let his religious beliefs cloud his judgement to such an extent that he is prepared to reject what is one of the most robust and important scientific theories ever.

    The fact that he uses the same bullsh1t arguments that the young earth creationists use against evolution to criticise global warming theory leads me to believe with a lot of justification, that he is applying the same level of critical thinking to global warming as he does to evolution theory (ie, putting faith before science and believing dogma instead of the scientific method)
    Actual morality is doing what is right regardless of what you're told. Religious morality is doing what you're told, regardless of if it's right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akrasia View Post
    The fact that he uses the same bullsh1t arguments that the young earth creationists use against evolution to criticise global warming theory leads me to believe with a lot of justification, that he is applying the same level of critical thinking to global warming as he does to evolution theory (ie, putting faith before science and believing dogma instead of the scientific method)
    Evolution,by virtue of the fact that it is a fundamentally unobservable phenomenon is not subject to the rigour of the scientific method.A basic error,you and others make Ad nasuem.

    I will you debate on only particular issue concerning evolutionary theory you care to expound on.I will also dismantle any issue you bring forward,sytematically,piece by piece using only science and material evidience.I will expose your belief for what it is,ie,religous fundatmentalism.I have made similar challenges around here before only to have folk run away,tail betwixt legs.Will you join your compatriots who appear to be all bark and no bite?

    Lets start with a defintion of the Scientific Method,that you appear to fail to realise is not applicable to Evoltuionary theory

    To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry must be based on gathering observable, empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning.[1] A scientific method consists of the collection of data through observation and experimentation, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses

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    Quote Originally Posted by Son_Of_The_Republic View Post
    Evolution,by virtue of the fact that it is a fundamentally unobservable phenomenon is not subject to the rigour of the scientific method.A basic error,you and others make Ad nasuem.
    Not so. It is now possible to identify genes that are under selection, so it is observable, and is being observed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimpanzee View Post
    Not so. It is now possible to identify genes that are under selection, so it is observable, and is being observed.
    Not true.If you care to profer evidence to support your claim I will happily destroy it.I should point out that in this instance bringing a term to bear such as "genes under selection" is a classic example of misnaming something for which it is not.A disenegenuous tactic often employed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Son_Of_The_Republic View Post
    I should point out that in this instance bringing a term to bear such as "genes under selection" is a classic example of misnaming something for which it is not
    You haven't a bulls notion what you are on about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimpanzee View Post
    You haven't a bulls notion what you are on about.
    try me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Son_Of_The_Republic View Post
    try me
    Just for reference, since I think this will be the shorter list, can you list the areas of science you consider to be "correct". Clearly climatology, biology, medicine plus whole chunks of physics and chemistry have gotten it all "wrong" in your view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimpanzee View Post
    You haven't a bulls notion what you are on about.

    genes under selection - Google Scholar
    Dear boy,rather than send me a random page of links why don't you describe to me what you understand "under selection" to mean and I will tell you why it is not so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Son_Of_The_Republic View Post
    Dear boy,rather than send me a random page of links why don't you describe to me what you understand "under selection" to mean and I will tell you why it is not so.
    Get away you feckin loon, you haven't even the basic grasp of the science that would allow you to recognise the expression, let alone being able to understand what it means, and now you are going to get busy debunking molecular biology? You're a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Son_Of_The_Republic View Post
    Dear boy,rather than send me a random page of links why don't you describe to me what you understand "under selection" to mean and I will tell you why it is not so.
    This might be easier for you to grasp..

    "About 900 years ago there was a sea battle between two opposing Japanese armies.

    The emperor was only seven years old, and legend has it that when his armies were defeated, the surviving members threw themselves into the water, and were turned into crabs. The defeat was so dramatic that a festival commemorating this event takes place in Japan every year to this very day.

    Now here’s the amazing part, there really are crabs living in the waters where this event took place 900 years ago, crabs with scowling Samurai faces on their shells. It’s not just a matter of hearsay, plenty of people have caught the Samurai crabs and thrown them back because of the human faces imprinted on their backs. Are these the ghosts of the drowned emperor and his men?

    Well, no, but the Samurai crabs do show us how quickly evolution works. What we have here is an instance of artificial selection, or a change in the physical characteristics of another species owing to the influence of humans.

    Think of it this way, first comes the memorable sea battle, spawning legends. Next a fisherman finds a crab with markings on its back that look something like a human face. Does he eat it? No, that crab is thrown back. Now it has a survival advantage over crabs whose markings don’t happen to look like anything to humans.

    A cycle begins. Every generation that has a more human looking face stands a better chance of survival than the last. In time, perhaps over a thousand years, the originally random markings on Samurai crabs really do look like Samurais."

    Google it you will probably find a video you can watch instead of having to struggle with big words.

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