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[imokyrok]

Akrasia, you do yourself no favours by trying to excuse the activities of the CRU and Michael Mann by implication.

They have been caught climbing out of the window with a bag marked swag and the alarmists, along with the help of AP and other media outlets continue to excuse their behaviour.

But I suppose we can't expect much better from the AGW movement, their currency is hyperbole, exaggeration and lies.

Eh no they haven't. To date despite the best efforts of hysterical right wing bloggers, you tubers and fox news no evidence of any wrongdoing has emerged. Maybe it will but so far not a bit.

[imokyrok]

It sounds like a really dodgy law. I wonder who would get to decide whether the data has been 'massaged or fudged'. I doubt any judges would be qualified to interpret raw climate data, and by its nature, climate data has to be adjusted in order for it to be useful.

Could be a tricky one all right especially in the US where judges tend to be very political. However the Dover case was well handled by the Judge in question. The scientific evidence was carefully examined and the judgement arrived at seemed to be able to cut through creationist obscurement so maybe it is possible. Judge John E. Jones III was a conservative Republican appointed in 2002 by George W. Bush so that seems positive for the outcome of judicial process despite political background.

[Mouroux]

My overall impression is that the AGW theory is no longer viable -certainly it will never again obtain the kind of political traction it did pre-2005. The current alternative in terms of a credible (?) basis for global or quasi-global taxation is the War on Terror --so expect that to get all the emphasis going forward. What else is left? Certainly there's nothing else on the table that I can see.

As for investigations of Climategate and Climategate related matters, it could go on endlessly and probably will -but the strategy is not to rescue the AGW theory, but rather to wind it down -a lot of funding will need to be reassigned (gradually, as various parties vie for a cut) to other purported global matters, like the War on Terror.

[Tombo]

My overall impression is that the AGW theory is no longer viable -certainly it will never again obtain the kind of political traction it did pre-2005. The current alternative in terms of a credible (?) basis for global or quasi-global taxation is the War on Terror --so expect that to get all the emphasis going forward. What else is left? Certainly there's nothing else on the table that I can see.

As for investigations of Climategate and Climategate related matters, it could go on endlessly and probably will -but the strategy is not to rescue the AGW theory, but rather to wind it down -a lot of funding will need to be reassigned (gradually, as various parties vie for a cut) to other purported global matters, like the War on Terror.

Indeed. Many politicians are looking for ways to surepticiously back away from their previous commitment to the issue of AGW. It is turning from a career pre-requisite to a career killer.

[Wakeupcall]

Indeed. Many politicians are looking for ways to surepticiously back away from their previous commitment to the issue of AGW. It is turning from a career pre-requisite to a career killer.

Interesting thoughts...

Also guys I would like to thank both sides of AGW debate who took part so far in this thread for staying within the realm of reality and discussing the OP