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    Copenhagen Revelations / Summary

    Cheers and Jeers at Copenhagen?s Climate Conference

    Absolutely fantastic article. Everything else aside, can either side of the AGW debate say that the Copenhagen summit was just or not corrupt to the core? Please read the above article.

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    When a "skeptic" politician, one who has political stature, arrived at the conference, he was both snubbed and roundly condemned. Unlike the countless "environmentalist" groups who were given their own rooms for press conferences and other events, Republican U.S. Senator James Inhofe was forced to stand on a staircase to make his remarks. Many journalists could not even access his "press conference" owing to increased security that had been erected that day.
    Talk about despicable behaviors. Making it more difficult for a skeptic to organise their days and to make them feel uncomfortable and unwelcome to weaken their overall position. Tasteful tactics.

    Representative Charlie Rangel, the powerful chairman of the House committee that deals with taxation, also told THE NEW AMERICAN that Inhofe was in the "minority," as evidenced by House approval of the global-warming bill. "In the House, the people rule," he said, citing the body’s support as evidence that the Senate would follow through with similar legislation. (Of course, if the "people" really did "rule" in the House, the House’s climate bill would soon be overturned, if polls are to be believed. In a poll by CNN/Opinion Research released before the Copenhagen Conference, only 45 percent believed in anthropogenic global warming.)
    So if the senate really are the people, and you take one look at the polls, then what in the hell is the senate pushing for cap n trade?

    There were also tens of thousands of non-governmental organization (NGO) representatives, mostly government funded, filling the conference center with their cries and banners for "climate justice" and "fair, ambitious, and legally binding" treaties that limit development and promise wealth redistribution. They didn’t keep up with the latest climate developments either.
    Some politicians tried to defend limited aspects of global-warming alarmism, but without much success. President Mohamed Nasheed of the Maldives spoke briefly with THE NEW AMERICAN regarding claims he made that the Maldives would soon be under water owing to raised sea levels caused by global warming, and the ridicule leveled against his claims by oceanographer and Stockholm University Professor Niklas Morner, who said sea levels were not rising unusually. Nasheed attacked Morner’s credibility, saying: "There are still people who don’t believe we landed on the moon," adding, "You know, when Galileo presented his theories he was killed by the pope." He accused Morner of not measuring sea levels properly all around the island and later said, "His attacks are not even worthy of a response." (Nasheed obviously didn’t know enough specifics to attack Morner’s methodologies — or even enough to know that his claim about a pope killing Galileo was untrue.)
    Read the entire article and its comments here >>>>>>

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    Cheers and Jeers at Copenhagen?s Climate Conference

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    Thanks, interesting..
    After calling on the rich capitalist countries to give the less-developed world an unspecified number of dollars because of the rich countries’ high levels of carbon-dioxide emissions, Chavez then insisted that socialism was the path to saving the planet, adding, "Capitalism is the road to hell, to the destruction of the Earth."
    I assume the same kind of thoughts are occuring in the minds of a large swath of the global souths leaders. Thankfully the security council i hope, in particular china wont be interested in the global taxation required to implement this form of global socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telemachus View Post
    Thanks, interesting..


    I assume the same kind of thoughts are occuring in the minds of a large swath of the global souths leaders. Thankfully the security council i hope, in particular china wont be interested in the global taxation required to implement this form of global socialism.
    Can some one please explain why the words socialist/socialism are associated with AGW, carbon trading, and carbon taxes?
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    Resdistribution of wealth from rich to poor is socialism. Carbon Trading is merely a means to get this done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sucker Punch View Post
    Can some one please explain why the words socialist/socialism are associated with AGW, carbon trading, and carbon taxes?
    Socialism wants state control of everything including climate.

    Socialism is not interested in truth only in half truths.

    AGW is based on half truths.

    By manipulating public opinion socialists try to impose carbon taxes based on half truths.

    Socialist governments get more state control through carbon trading.


    Be very aware that the Green movement ,many of the NGO,s and Eco movements are mostly motivated by a hatred of the rich and successful countries and individuals.

    This is the basis of socialism which is a branch of Marxist philosophy.

    This philosophy has failed but not before countless millions of innocent people were slaughtered in its name.

    The criminal danger attached to the Green and eco/environmental movements is that millions more will suffer should their false philosophies gain the ascendent.

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    Oh goodie. A new paranoid nut thread for the fantasists to play with for the new year. Bless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyO'Brien View Post
    Oh goodie. A new paranoid nut thread for the fantasists to play with for the new year. Bless.
    yeah thanks baby great useless contribution as always.

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    These are typical of the tactics used at the Copenhagen alarmist's love in.

    Phelim McAleer assaulted by UN security guard and "Green" protesters. Much of the AGW movement are acting in a disgraceful fashion, using censorship, violence and downright dishonesty.

    Do the AGW alarmists on this forum condone these tactics?

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_n2rKG--ho"]YouTube- Phelim McAleer assaulted at Copenhagen Summit[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUtzMBfDrpI"]YouTube- Armed Response to 'Climategate' question[/ame]

    Phelim McAleer talks about being assaulted by U.N. armed guard at Copenhagen Climate Conference
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    [QUOTE=Theowolfe;2367598]

    Do the AGW alarmists on this forum condone these tactics?
    [QUOTE]

    Secretly I suspect they do.They're all closet Marxists,knowingly or otherwise.Fanatics are not adverse to a little thuggery to gain the ascendency of their ideology

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theowolfe View Post
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    Phelim McAleer assaulted by UN security guard and "Green" protesters. Much of the AGW movement are acting in a disgraceful fashion, using censorship, violence and downright dishonesty.

    Do the AGW alarmists on this forum condone these tactics?


    Phelim McAleer talks about being assaulted by U.N. armed guard at Copenhagen Climate Conference
    THERE IS NO AGW MOVEMENT. THE PROTESTORS OUTSIDE AND THE GOVERNMENT DELEGATES INSIDE BOTH AGREED WITH AGW BUT ARE NOT BY ANY MEANS PART OF THE SAME MOVEMENT.

    Nothing unique about McAleer. Many climate justice protestors were attacked by police also. Since I consider myself to be involved in this movement of course I do not think it was good for my co-campaigners to be attacked by the police.

    As for what went on inside the conference, far from receiving the priveleged treatment that WUC claims, most NGOs suffered the same kinds of indignity that McAleer did, and worse.

    Telemachus, carbon trading is not a socialist response to the climate issue. This is because it ensures that developing countries are unlikely to develop much further. It would lock them into selling carbon credits as a cash crop. Look at who supports it:

    19 AES Corporation supports carbon trading
    20 Alcoa supports carbon trading
    21 Alstom supports carbon trading
    22 Boston Scientific Corporation supports carbon trading
    23 Chrysler supports carbon trading
    24 Duke Energy supports carbon trading
    25 Dupont supports carbon trading
    26 Exelon supports carbon trading
    27 Florida Power and Light supports carbon trading
    28 Ford supports carbon trading
    29 General Electric supports carbon trading
    30 General Motors supports carbon trading
    31 John Deere supports carbon trading
    32 Johnson and Johnson supports carbon trading
    33 NRG supports carbon trading
    34 Pepsi supports carbon trading
    35 PG&E supports carbon trading
    36 PNM Resources supports carbon trading
    37 BP supports carbon trading
    38 Caterpillar supports carbon trading
    39 ConocoPhillips supports carbon trading
    40 Dow Chemical supports carbon trading
    41 Rio Tinto supports carbon trading
    42 Shell Oil supports carbon trading
    43 Siemens supports carbon trading
    (American International Group (AIG) and Lehman Brothers supported carbon trading too)

    Not quite the 5th Communist International. Carbon trading is the response of global capital to climate change, and it will be a disaster if implemented on a global scale.
    Last edited by Húrin; 2nd January 2010 at 07:01 PM.
    "But do 'climategate' revelations justify the sceptics’ claims that this is “the final nail in the coffin” of global warming theory? Not at all. They damage the credibility of three or four scientists. They raise questions about the integrity of one or perhaps two out of several hundred lines of evidence."

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