You have no argument with me there, capslock or not. Ok?Originally Posted by redneck
What I don't understand, and maybe you can help me with this, how will my paying water rates and carbon tax fix the climate changes that have been observed across the solar system?
Please.
I know it's overwhelming, and makes us feel like we're not in control or that we're powerless, but climate change, from floods to ice ages have been happening for longer that we can ever know -the dinosaurs were not driving around in SUV's and yet they were still wiped out. Do you get it now? Major events do not have to be linked to human activities -we are not the centre of the universe, we are just not that important in the wider scheme of existence.
So what you're saying is that the event we're experiencing has hapened before and while it is rare and unusual, it is not new. Fair enough.
I think most of the footsoldiers of the climate change industry are good people doing something they believe is right. But further up the chain ego takes over.This suits the development model as these people ar promoted into the international green movement, as a binding force, and a revenue generating
engine. So it has a lot in common with many religons. Religon is all about the faith, even when you doubt.
Hopefully it will continue to change, just a little bit warmer would be perfect
We would have longer growing seasons. More farmland in places like
Green Sahara National Geographic Magazine
The Sahara...which was entirely green at the warmest point between now and the last ice age. We would have more forests where there used to be tundra replacing the terrible rainforest losses in places like Brazil
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Saw one on TV in Ballinasloe this evening, UCC in Cork, and the town of Cockermouth, Cumbria. Heaviest rainfall IN 1000 YEARSGlobal Flooding OMG, gotta build an ark.
From the NYT
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/sc...mate.html?_r=1
In one e-mail exchange, a scientist writes of using a statistical “trick” in a chart illustrating a recent sharp warming trend. In another, a scientist refers to climate skeptics as “idiots.”
Some skeptics asserted Friday that the correspondence revealed an effort to withhold scientific information. “This is not a smoking gun, this is a mushroom cloud,” said Patrick J. Michaels, a climatologist who has long faulted evidence pointing to human-driven warming and is criticized in the documents.
Portions of the correspondence portrays the scientists as feeling under siege by the skeptics’ camp and worried that any stray comment or data glitch could be turned against them.
Looks like the spin is dragging this into the 'scientific squabbles' territory. Hope this gets legs, otherwise it'll be thrown into the conspiracy theory bin
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I've asked for this elsewhere, but do you have some data series showing these 'climate changes that have been observed across the solar system'?
Never let the best be the enemy of the good.
My sister is a scientist she got her doctorate 3 years ago and there is no doubt they exist in a little bubble of their own but this gives a whole new meaning to never putting anything online that you wouldn't want your mother to read. If those e-mails really read the way the seem to a first viewing then F**k 'em the BA***RDS the deserve the s**tstorm thats coming their way and I mean every scientist who has been singing off that hymn sheet
While the world has cooled since 1998, there is no mechanism for cooling to evaporate more water for extra clould to form and fall as rain.
Prof Henrick Svensmarck, explains in his book "Chilling Stars" how changes on the surface of the sun affects cosmic ray particles hitting the earth which in turn affects cloud formation.
CO2 has nothing to do with cloud formation -only in the IPCC's computer models.
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