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    Electric cars and carbon taxes

    From todays Irish Times

    Forum highlights electric uncertainty - The Irish Times - Wed, Sep 09, 2009

    Looks like we will pay carbon taxes for some time yet.
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    This whole electric cars thing really makes me mad. What about the fossil fuels being burnt to produce the electricity to charge the damn things? Carbon neutral my hole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aindriu View Post
    This whole electric cars thing really makes me mad. What about the fossil fuels being burnt to produce the electricity to charge the damn things? Carbon neutral my hole.
    Thats why we need nuclear power - another story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aindriu View Post
    This whole electric cars thing really makes me mad. What about the fossil fuels being burnt to produce the electricity to charge the damn things? Carbon neutral my hole.
    Aindriu

    Using renewable energy to run electric cars makes them carbon neutral, if then they are carbon neutral, there is no case for carbon taxes.

    My problem is that I have yet to see evidence of these cars being available in large quantities anytime soon.

    Although if our energy policy were to fully embrace a fully engineered renewable grid, there would then possibly be a large enough domestic market for a possible Irish electric car manufacturer ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse View Post
    Thats why we need nuclear power - another story.
    Another story agreed, wind turbines are now assessed on their total footprint, i.e manufacture, installation and de commisioning.

    Nuclear if assessed in this way is not carbon neutral ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fiannafailure View Post
    Using renewable energy to run electric cars makes them carbon neutral, if then they are carbon neutral, there is no case for carbon taxes.
    What renewable energy? We are surrounded by water yet just about nothing has been done to harness it to create electricity! We reject nuclear power yet it is completely carbon neutral. No attempt is made to harness the wind and no houses are built with solar panels on their roofs.

    We play at renewable energy in this country and then tax drivers to the hilt!

    Electric cars are crap! Very limited range and speed which gets even worse in winter with lights, heating, heated rear screens etc. Hybrid is the way to go yet there are no incentives to buy one here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aindriu View Post
    What renewable energy? We are surrounded by water yet just about nothing has been done to harness it to create electricity! We reject nuclear power yet it is completely carbon neutral. No attempt is made to harness the wind and no houses are built with solar panels on their roofs.

    We play at renewable energy in this country and then tax drivers to the hilt!

    Electric cars are crap! Very limited range and speed which gets even worse in winter with lights, heating, heated rear screens etc. Hybrid is the way to go yet there are no incentives to buy one here.
    Aindriu

    Have a look at my sig, I agree that we not providing the infrastructure to support a renewable energy research industry, simply promising a grid connection and designating an area of Dorset in the UK as a renewable research area resulted in commitments from FDI to invest.

    I know from S of I contacts with IDA that they are interested in doing same, however we must have a published energy policy to give certainty to this matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aindriu View Post
    What renewable energy? We are surrounded by water yet just about nothing has been done to harness it to create electricity! We reject nuclear power yet it is completely carbon neutral. No attempt is made to harness the wind and no houses are built with solar panels on their roofs.

    We play at renewable energy in this country and then tax drivers to the hilt!

    Electric cars are crap! Very limited range and speed which gets even worse in winter with lights, heating, heated rear screens etc. Hybrid is the way to go yet there are no incentives to buy one here.

    how do you get energy from water? nuclear fusion has not yet been invented.

    as for the barrier thingys that use kenetic energy to generate power....could they harm marine wildlife if used in a manner sufficiently big to power our energy needs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zakalwe1 View Post
    how do you get energy from water? nuclear fusion has not yet been invented.

    as for the barrier thingys that use kenetic energy to generate power....could they harm marine wildlife if used in a manner sufficiently big to power our energy needs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fiannafailure View Post
    Aindriu

    Using renewable energy to run electric cars makes them carbon neutral, if then they are carbon neutral, there is no case for carbon taxes.

    My problem is that I have yet to see evidence of these cars being available in large quantities anytime soon.

    Although if our energy policy were to fully embrace a fully engineered renewable grid, there would then possibly be a large enough domestic market for a possible Irish electric car manufacturer ?

    reiterating Nissan’s plan that the Leaf, which runs a 100 miles on a single charge, excluding the cost of the batteries, will cost no more to buy and run than a traditional gasoline-powered car. Zero-emissions of CO2 and other greenhouse gases, he said, are a bonus. Charging time is seven hours, although a 30-minute quick charge can get batteries back up to 80% of full power.

    Key to its success will be bringing down the cost of the batteries, which currently cost around $10,000 per car to make. Sensibly, Nissan plans to lease the batteries to customers rather than try to sell the car at an inflated price. Initially, the carmaker will share the burden by taking advantage of government subsidies and cheap loans to ensure sales are profitable from day one. The challenge will be to get costs down to a sufficient level by the time governments begin scaling back incentives. Mass production should help. Ghosn, once again emphasizing the importance of affordability, said that the cost of leasing the batteries, plus the electricity used to charge them, will be less than what customers spend on gasoline for regular cars.
    Introducing the Nissan Leaf Electric Vehicle - BusinessWeek

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