Electric cars and carbon taxes

[riven]

Harmonica

Please read what you have just written in a sane state of mind.

Where is the hydrogen distribution system ?

Where is the hydrogem production facilities ?

What will power the hydrogen production facilities ?

Very interesting questions FF. I mean

Where are the wind farms?
Where are the massive storage resevoirs?
Where is the adapted grid?

Dont be a hypocrite.

[Aindriu]

So electricity can only be produced from fossil fuels?

What a stupid post.

It isn't a stupid post at all. I never said it could ONLY be produced from fossil fuels!

[fiannafailure]

Very interesting questions FF. I mean

Where are the wind farms?
Where are the massive storage resevoirs?
Where is the adapted grid?

Dont be a hypocrite.

Riven
I would be a hypocrite if I was simply commenting and not actively engaged in building that infrastructure.

Myself and a lot of other people have made a decision to voluntarily spend our time solving these problems. And you are going to quite surprised at the results of our efforts.

Where are the windfarms?
The local people of one area of the country are now at the stage of preparing their planning application for a 2GW windfarm and will be in Brussels next month to discuss the environmental aspects of same with the EU.
Two others areas are getting organised for same.

Where are the massive storage reservoirs?
Already designed in detail, costed and again at the stage of preparing the planning application.

Where is the adapted Grid?
We have our part being costed, the rest is up to greater powers than S of I, however we are working hard on making the case, pay attention near the end of the month.

Now where is the hydrogen infrastructure?

Is it planned or designed, is it costed, is the tech ready?

[fiannafailure]

South Africa ignored their energy future and are now paying the price with sheduled power cuts a part of life there.

The energy complex is at the heart of everything we want to do in the future.

Getting the energy mix right and using the energy complex to drive the right developmental outcomes should not be underestimated.

The Times - Paying the price of power

Is our government thinking beginning to realise that from now on, our economic future will depend on our energy policies.

[riven]

Riven
I would be a hypocrite if I was simply commenting and not actively engaged in building that infrastructure.

Myself and a lot of other people have made a decision to voluntarily spend our time solving these problems. And you are going to quite surprised at the results of our efforts.

Where are the windfarms?
The local people of one area of the country are now at the stage of preparing their planning application for a 2GW windfarm and will be in Brussels next month to discuss the environmental aspects of same with the EU.
Two others areas are getting organised for same.

Where are the massive storage reservoirs?
Already designed in detail, costed and again at the stage of preparing the planning application.

Where is the adapted Grid?
We have our part being costed, the rest is up to greater powers than S of I, however we are working hard on making the case, pay attention near the end of the month.

Now where is the hydrogen infrastructure?

Is it planned or designed, is it costed, is the tech ready?

Again you are being a hypocrite. You asked where are the hardware, the production facilities, the distribution network etc. I simply put the question back to you re wind and you start talking about concepts and designs, not actual hardware.

By the way the costings regarding hydrogen economy have been published albeit for examples based in U.K. You can easily find examples in any petrochemical journal.

Further I will not drag this topic further off topic so I will not be answering any further wind related posts here. There is a thread for that.

[fiannafailure]

Riven
I take your point, however there will be a national infrastructure in place for charging cars in Ireland within 3 years and it will be fully powered by renewable energy within 3 years.

The quickest estimate for a hydrogen infrastructure for Ireland that I have seen is 15years as a start date and 5 years to complete.

No comparison

[Mar Tweedy]

This whole electric cars thing really makes me mad. What about the fossil fuels being burnt to produce the electricity to charge the damn things? Carbon neutral my hole.

Airtricity? I know its not totally wind-powered but at least a decent proportion is. Plus you have to add in construction, transport etc carbon costs.
May not be perfect, but at least they are better?

[fiannafailure]

Airtricity? I know its not totally wind-powered but at least a decent proportion is. Plus you have to add in construction, transport etc carbon costs.
May not be perfect, but at least they are better?

Add Bord na Mona, Hibernian Wind Energy (ESB), Coilte, Bord Gais and at least 100MW of small independent producers, and coming soon to a socket near you, Spirit of Ireland with our first 1GW natural energy power station and 1GW is a lot of energy.

[Al.]

Electric road vehicles in Ireland...haven't we done that already?

Can't wait for those "carbon-nootrul" tyres. (They're all hydrocarbon elastomers, remember. Vulcanised, which adds the more dangerous sulphur compounds.)

[soubresauts]

Electric road vehicles in Ireland...haven't we done that already?

Good examples! And the dairies too -- they had huge numbers of electric vehicles in Dublin, delivering the milk bottles quietly and efficiently while we slept.