Election Reform Single Seat The Way Forward!

[emperoroftheether]

The only way to rid this nation of clientalism and other assorted evils and finally eradicate the parish pump and dilute the jackass indo's is the following.
Single Seat PR Constituencies. First to reach 51% with transfers or on first pref wins - that simple.
Example, Carlow-Kilkenny would be divided from its current five seat into Carlow Town, County Carlow, Kilkenny City, North Kilkenny and South Kilkenny.
Anyone agree?
It's a simple and fair system which would be good for Labour, FG and FF and solve the Sinn Fein problem and head off future instability and would be actually more democratic.

[jady88]

The only way to rid this nation of clientalism and other assorted evils and finally eradicate the parish pump and dilute the jackass indo's is the following.
Single Seat PR Constituencies. First to reach 51% with transfers or on first pref wins - that simple.
Example, Carlow-Kilkenny would be divided from its current five seat into Carlow Town, County Carlow, Kilkenny City, North Kilkenny and South Kilkenny.
Anyone agree?
It's a simple and fair system which would be good for Labour, FG and FF and solve the Sinn Fein problem and head off future instability and would be actually more democratic.

No that is completely undemocratic! You can't solve the Sinn Fein problem what you are saying is effectively how to kill democracy.

[ON THE ONE ROAD]

solve the SF problem, class.

[Gladstone]

Fourth Amendment Bill (1968) (1968): This was a second attempt to alter the electoral system by abolishing proportional representation in favour of 'First Past the Post'. It was submitted to a referendum on the same day as the Third Amendment Bill and defeated.

Third Amendment Bill (1958): This was a proposal to alter the electoral system for elections to Dáil Éireann from proportional representation under the Single Transferable Vote to the British 'First Past the Post' system. It also proposed to establish an independent commission for the drawing of constituency boundaries on a constitutional basis. It was put to a referendum on 17 June 1959 but defeated.

Both were rejected because they were a recepie for a one party state, or a situation like this...

An example of disproportionality arose in the Canadian federal election of 1926 for the province of Manitoba.
The Conservatives clearly had the largest number of votes across the province, but received no seats at all.

If we didn't accept FPTP, were not gonna accept THAT!
Espechally if the motivation is to eliminate one party!

[KeithM]

The only way to rid this nation of clientalism and other assorted evils and finally eradicate the parish pump and dilute the jackass indo's is the following.
Single Seat PR Constituencies. First to reach 51% with transfers or on first pref wins - that simple.
Example, Carlow-Kilkenny would be divided from its current five seat into Carlow Town, County Carlow, Kilkenny City, North Kilkenny and South Kilkenny.
Anyone agree?
It's a simple and fair system which would be good for Labour, FG and FF and solve the Sinn Fein problem and head off future instability and would be actually more democratic.

This system is a complete joke. The Dail would be full of the likes of Michael Lowry, Michael Ring and local "save our hospital" eejits.

People would end up voting against candidates that voting for them.

[emperoroftheether]

I don't see how because it would involve PR - the other do did not. they were first past the post proposals like in Britain.

[emperoroftheether]

the other two, dare i say.

[Gladstone]

If you want to eliminate clientism whats wrong with PR-List or the mixed-member proportional representation system?

[KeithM]

solve the SF problem, class.

Well I suppose, taking em all out and shooting them is a bit too radical, even for me!

[TheBear]

Fourth Amendment Bill (1968) (1968): This was a second attempt to alter the electoral system by abolishing proportional representation in favour of 'First Past the Post'. It was submitted to a referendum on the same day as the Third Amendment Bill and defeated.

Third Amendment Bill (1958): This was a proposal to alter the electoral system for elections to Dáil Éireann from proportional representation under the Single Transferable Vote to the British 'First Past the Post' system. It also proposed to establish an independent commission for the drawing of constituency boundaries on a constitutional basis. It was put to a referendum on 17 June 1959 but defeated.

Both were rejected because they were a recepie for a one party state, or a situation like this...


[quote:3tjclfvk]An example of disproportionality arose in the Canadian federal election of 1926 for the province of Manitoba.
The Conservatives clearly had the largest number of votes across the province, but received no seats at all.

If we didn't accept FPTP, were not gonna accept THAT!
Espechally if the motivation is to eliminate one party![/quote:3tjclfvk]
The system s/he's suggesting is PR-AV, not FPTP.