Originally Posted by TrueBlue forever
Yes, we want in to make things right, not forpersonal glory. That's the problem. If we just let it sink to bottom and then try to claim credit for a rising tide we are no better than FF or the GP. However if we take over, restructure where needed,eliminate qangos, reform public service etc then we at least will be doing what the country needs.
You must be joking, they are loving it, watching us trying to get the country back on track, If the government fell and there was a general election, FG would be craping themselves as would we, us at the fact that we're going to be demolished and them at the thought of rebuilding the economy with Labour pulling the strings and the Blueshirts not able to look sideways.
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- What A Legacy To Leave Behind.
"Fianna Fáil is the party of Vision, Energy and Ideas not the passive inheritors of events, We are the history makers" - Bertie Ahern
Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 5.08
Are you having a laugh? Trying to get things back on track?
How so exactly? By granting guarantees to Banks? By setting up NAMA? washing the future of the country down the drain more like.
FG have always been the party which made the tough calls. The only reason FF have not called an election before now is that they know they would be voted out. Typical FF, more worried about themselves than the good of the country...
Mark Twain "The People have spoken....the Bastards!!"
Toxic Avenger "It's an unfair war, the libertarians are all armed to the teeth, trained in their compounds in the woods in guns and paranoia. Us lefties only have muesli and a slightly more developed hairiness to defend us..."
There are plenty of amateur political commentators who think that fg will play it cute and hold out for a Spring election. I suspect that anyone who joined the party since 1997 did so in the full knowledge that they were joining a party which would be in opposition for a lot of the time. Fine Gael should try every opportunity to get ff out. The amateur commentators have lots of ammunition since they do not appear to be doing much to stop nama and bring down this tired administration.
If the banks are out for a bail,
and Lenny's efforts end up as a fail,
when the Somer does come,
to the Country they'll run,
And leave a Fine mess for the Gael.
Endinf the one Party (FF) state:
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If Fine Gael wanted to bring down this government at any cost they would be calling for mass strikes and demonstrations. However they can't do this as it would make the working class aware of their enourmous power to challenge the bourgeoise. FG intend to savage the working class once they are in power and therefore they want workers and the unions to be weak.
Essentially Fine Gael do want this government to fall but only under specific conditions.
This govt. has a solid majority, the only chance of an election is for the Greens to walk. All the posturing by FF TD's is to try and position themselves to be the surviving FF TD in their constituency. Unless there is a total collapse, there will be a FF TD in each constituency outside Dublin and their objective is to be that TD.
If engineers were wrong as often as economists, would anyone fly aeroplanes?
Mass strikes and demonstrations?? That is the kind of leftist militant philosophy that has empowered gombeens like Jack O Connor and Co to the position they are now in. They are a millstone around the neck of this country and this spineless government has not got the balls to cut the rope. They have had ample opportunity to do so. Mass strikes would only serve to;
1) Further erode our competitiveness
2) Ensure that more business fail thus increasing unemployment.
3) Undermine our attractiveness as a base for FDI.
4) Put more pressure on Government finances
5) Put more poressure on state services
Need I go on? The left has a necessary and essential place in the economic debate and in its revival. However the militant left will only serve to cause civil unrest and unemployment. That is what the do best, contribute nothing and cause trouble.
The TU movement were committed to social partnership and benchmarking until there was no more money being offered. Then they became militant and started demanding strikes etc. Selfish in the extreme.
When will they learn that partnership means just that. Partnership. Taking the good with the bad. They were happy to take when the times were good but are willing to offer absolutely nothing in times of difficulty other than this rubbish about mass demonstartions and strikes. Until the left gets serious about economic revival and its role in it then they cannot be taken seriously.
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MONC - a new one can be debated within 6 months if the Ceann Comhairle agrees.
I think that John O'Donoghue would not try to buy time for FF if it were clear that a MONC was likely to succeed.
FG want to be in government because they (well, being a broad church, most of them) have a totally different reason for being in politics. They see the current period as a great time to be in power as there are decisions to be made that will shape this country for 20-30 years.
FF politicians are mostly just interested in dispensing goodies - and their greatest leader of modern times (who in FF cares if he resigned in disgrace for receiving corrupt payments - Blessed Mary Hanafin cried) was the most irresponsible dispenser of goodies in the history of the state.
So we want an election now.
There are times when you are simply required to be impolite. There are times when condescension is called for!
- Aaron Sorkin writing as President Bartlet to Obama, NYT 21/09/2008
You can't build a smart economy based on dumb decisions.
- Richard Bruton 18/12/2008
That's an ultra conservative and cowardly analysis. The strike is the most important weapon in the arsenal of the working class and we will not be afraid to use it when the capitalists renew their offensive against us.
When the first ‘social partnership’ deal, the Programme for National Recovery, was signed way back in 1987 we were told that we should moderate wage demands in the interests of “social equity” and to “regenerate the economy”. The economy was ‘regenerated’ all right but it doesn’t take a genius to work out that any idea that ‘social equity’ might follow was at best naïve. Throughout the boom years, while profits soared through the roof, we were told that through ‘social partnership’ we should moderate wage demands to facilitate investment in public services.
Yet at the end of the boom we are left with a health system that is unable to meet even the most basic health needs of the population, an education system that can boast class sizes which are among the largest in the OECD, and a crisis in homelessness with Focus Ireland recently pointing out that there are now five times as many people homeless as there were when Focus was founded 23 years ago. In 1985, it was estimated that up to 1,000 people were homeless. There are now up to 5,000 people who are homeless at any one time.
‘Social partnership’ has been one of the greatest frauds ever perpetrated on the Irish working class. It never set out to provide ‘social equity’ or to develop public services. Its sole purpose was to emasculate the trade union movement, and to provide cover for the unbridled market-driven capitalism that has led us now from boom to bust. And guess who’ll be made to pay the costs!
‘Social partnership’ has provided a cover for the wholesale raiding of our pay packets and a massive transfer of wealth from the poorer sections of society to the pockets of the wealthy. That our trade union leaders have connived in this fraud is nothing short of scandalous. But it need not continue to be so. Rejection of the current deal would be step number one on the road to reclaiming the true spirit of our trade unions. And as ‘the new economic reality’ comes thundering at us, now more than ever we need a strong trade union movement which will stand up for us and deliver a strong message that those who benefited most from the boom years are the ones who should pay for the bust years and that we, workers and the unemployed standing together, are no longer going to be the fall guys.
They just could not wait to play their hand, Fianna Fail in the midland were back on their feet after their vote of confidence, they had something to shout about straight away,it would have been better to leave them in suspense with the papers mentioning it every second day.
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