Declan Ganley - A tribute I think!

[cactusflower]

id like ganley to stay around just to shake things up

Don't worry finnharps4life, there's going to be plenty of up shaking.

[CookieMonster]

Don't worry finnharps4life, there's going to be plenty of up shaking.

Joe Higgins pi**ing in the wind?

REJOYCE! The socialists will save us!

[ibis]

An ammendment to a treaty doesnt reqiure a constutional ammendment. Therefore no referendum required.

Lisbon itself is only a series of amendments to the existing EU treaties. Whether we require referendum to allow the government to ratify such amendments does not depend on it being called a "treaty", but on whether it materially changes our relationship with the EU, or impacts our sovereignty.

So even a single amendment can require a referendum before the government can ratify it, if it falls within the terms of the Crotty judgement. It is irrelevant whether that amendment is one of many wrapped up in a treaty, or is a single amendment - Crotty (and the Constitution) do not take any account of the form.

If you look at the amendments that have gone into our Constitution to allow the government to ratify EU treaties, they look like this:

4° The State may ratify the Treaty on European Union signed at Maastricht on the 7th day of February, 1992, and may become a member of that Union.

If an amendment to the treaties is proposed, and the AG advises the government that the amendment would impact our sovereignty, then for the government to ratify that amendment would require amendment of the Constitution to the same effect as the above amendment - in other words, an amendment to Bunreacht that states "the State may ratify the amendment to the Treaty on European Union".

[Cathar]

Lisbon itself is only a series of amendments to the existing EU treaties. Whether we require referendum to allow the government to ratify such amendments does not depend on it being called a "treaty", but on whether it materially changes our relationship with the EU, or impacts our sovereignty.

So even a single amendment can require a referendum before the government can ratify it, if it falls within the terms of the Crotty judgement. It is irrelevant whether that amendment is one of many wrapped up in a treaty, or is a single amendment - Crotty (and the Constitution) do not take any account of the form.

If you look at the amendments that have gone into our Constitution to allow the government to ratify EU treaties, they look like this:



If an amendment to the treaties is proposed, and the AG advises the government that the amendment would impact our sovereignty, then for the government to ratify that amendment would require amendment of the Constitution to the same effect as the above amendment - in other words, an amendment to Bunreacht that states "the State may ratify the amendment to the Treaty on European Union".

The legal oppinion is that the government erred on the side of caution inregard to the Lisbon Treaty. Another case would have to be taken to force a referendum

[Lthse]

Joe Higgins pi**ing in the wind?

REJOYCE! The socialists will save us!

Yep, I fear they are going to be the next strawman on Lisbon, I share your pessimism.

[wolf]

Declan Ganley is a good human being, who tried to remind us what Democracy was all about, and what we are sacrificing in the non Democratic LISBON TREATY.
All his good work has gone to waste,when:
1. FF plant two prominent Donks on the ballot paper, for the electorate to salivate over.
2. None of the four major parties called foul, when in the last week of the campaign, Libertas were exempt from media coverage. RTE protecting the godfathers FF.
Declan Ganley. You were our last hope. God bless you. Ireland don't deserve you.Were too rotten to be saved from the non democratic European Monster.

[wolf]

Declan Ganley is a good human being, who tried to remind us what Democracy was all about, and what we are sacrificing in the non Democratic LISBON TREATY.
All his good work has gone to waste,when:
1. FF plant two prominent Donks on the ballot paper, for the electorate to salivate over.
2. None of the four major parties called foul, when in the last week of the campaign, Libertas were exempt from media coverage. RTE protecting the godfathers FF.
Declan Ganley. You were our last hope. God bless you. Ireland don't deserve you.Were too rotten to be saved from the non democratic European Monster.

[OMahonyMunster]

Declan Ganley is a good human being, who tried to remind us what Democracy was all about, and what we are sacrificing in the non Democratic LISBON TREATY.
All his good work has gone to waste,when:
1. FF plant two prominent Donks on the ballot paper, for the electorate to salivate over.
2. None of the four major parties called foul, when in the last week of the campaign, Libertas were exempt from media coverage. RTE protecting the godfathers FF.
Declan Ganley. You were our last hope. God bless you. Ireland don't deserve you.Were too rotten to be saved from the non democratic European Monster.

If that is wicklow wolf give me a break , I know you and I know exactly how difficult it is to keep the right arm from rising..................

how can you say Ganley is a good human being? Explain how and why with reference to his past in business........................................

[molloyjh]

If that is wicklow wolf give me a break , I know you and I know exactly how difficult it is to keep the right arm from rising..................

how can you say Ganley is a good human being? Explain how and why with reference to his past in business........................................

Don't bother mate. The hero worship will continue on politics.ie for the fore-seeable future regardless of the truth.