Natural gas does have emissions, certainly not as a many as coal or oil but in the grand scheme of green energy I think it would be well beyond what anyone was hoping for. Hopefully she just ended making a simple mistake and then twisting around to justify it... and shes not a bit of a dumb dumb.Originally Posted by liamfoley
Life is a beautiful magnificent thing, even to a jelly fish ~ Charlie Chaplin
Are you that blinkered? White was poor.
Lee is restating the FG policy of selling off old stae assets to fund new green ones. Coveney launched it before the ard fheis and was very well received. State assets arent untouchable, especially if they can be used to drive new jobs and industries.
Typical of such an incompetent shower.Green natural gas...it's actually comical that a party which aligns itself with environmental issues actually allows people like that clown to speak on their behalf.
The whole wind generation thing is a load of baloney anyway. to think that it is the savior of our world is not quite all its made out to be.
At the moment, wind power at its best will fulfill about 1/6 of the countries energy needs(500-600MW's), but it is so unreliable that it falls off to 1/20 of what is required or less on a regular basis. Some days it will fall off in hours, and is literally only as predictable as the irish weather. This up and down variance has to be accommodated by the National Grid people, and to compensate the swings in load, they must dispatch various power plants down or even tell them to shut down and start up again. When power plants drop in load or shut down and start up, their emissions go through the roof. So in effect, wind power cause power plants to run in regimes that are worse for the environment. Not sure how it all balances out, but it covered up by carbon credit trading.
By the way, where do Bord gais get their electricity generation from, as far as I knew, they only have a power plant coming on line in 2010. Anyone know?
Cruising on the Shannon recently, we were sailing through gorgeous countryside around Ballyconnell in Leitrim. I noticed a cluster of windmills on a hill (not sure, but there may have been 12). It was a ghastly sight. How many more are planned around the country? What are the genuine, proven benefits? I undestand that, apart from visual pollution, these windmills can also cause noise pollution? Are we, as a nation, going to debate the merits of windpower over other potential energy sources, or has the government already made that decision on our behalf? And, who stands to gain from this enormous investment?
Quite clearly, windpower has to be a main component of energy. Yes, there are arguments against putting turbines near houses, and yes, sometimes people want to put them on blanket bog, the disturbance of which will cause more climate damage than is remedied by the turbines, but if you can't stand looking at them you haven't thought seriously about climate change.
Who stands to gain? All of us: we have a planet to look after.
They are completely unreliable and swing up and down like a yoyo on a daily basis. when the wind blows too strong they cant generate, and when the wind blows too soft they cant generate, and when they need to be maintained they cant generate.
the only energies that should be 'main components' are reliable energies. have a look at eirgrids generation profiles of national demand and various generation cycles.
EirGrid
the problem with Wind generation is that no-one looks at their full effect on the national grid.
I heard Davidson this morning....very funny..but not surprising at all.She ran in DSW last time out...really poor candidate(when they had better)...she drives an old ice cream van with her name on it...she works for the greens(doing something...no idea really!!) and now she has shipped over to DS....I don't know has she ever been elected to anything...4 or 5th time out now...Somenone should just tell her really!
Behind every great man is a woman rolling her eyes.
Jim Carrey.
Earnest, I'm looking for some comfort here, not vague platitudes. Yes, all things being equal, we would love to do our bit to halt climate change. However, I fear there are vested interests who are pushing the wind agenda. I still don't know the answers to my questions posed in a previous post.
Well, you tell us who these vested interests are, if you are convinced that there are some. The wind agenda needs to be pushed. Unfortunately, we should have started 30 years ago like Denmark. Your debate sounds like an attempt at further delay. Fortunately, we currently have a minister who has ended the ESB's reluctance to allow windpower to be hooked up to the grid. Because this is being done on a commercial basis, there is no plan as to exactly how many wind turbines will be built over any particular number of years: it is up to private enterprise to come forward with their own plans.
Yes, in response to vincenzo1975, windpower is intermittent: that's why you need grids to link to where it's blowing at the moment, and back-up generating plants which may be too inefficient to be used on a permanent basis.
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