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Libertas? Nein Danke! Say NO to Europe's New Right Wing: Libertas spreads lies about this blogger
Libertas Nein danke has posted on this and includes another email from anita kelly at the end
Libertas? Nein Danke! Say NO to Europe's New Right Wing: Libertas spreads lies about this blogger
The Irish Times has picked up on the story about Walesa being paid (bit late in the day):
Jaroslaw Walesa's assertion that Libertas "don’t exist in Poland – they will not have any seats in the European Parliament from Poland" is borne out by Monday's opinion poll (published on Tuesday) carried out in Warsaw on behalf of Rzeczpospolita, Poland's leading daily newspaper, which found that support for Libertas was at 0%.Polish newspapers reported Mr Walesa was paid €50,000 for the address. The appearance of the Solidarity co-founder has caused controversy in Poland, particularly as it came a day after he addressed a conference of the European People’s Party (EPP) in Warsaw.
“Gentlemen do not talk about money to other gentlemen,” Mr Ganley told the daily newspaper Dziennik yesterday. “The word ‘honorarium’ includes the word ‘honour’. Let’s drop the subject.”
Asked by the Polish newspaper about claims he had received a €50,000 fee for the speech, Mr Walesa replied jokingly: “Are you selling me short? You must be joking. You’d have to work one year for the same amount of money that I can get for one lecture.” In a separate interview, Mr Walesa said he accepted the Libertas invitation because he is unable to live off his state pension.
Walesa’s son Jaroslaw, campaigning in the European elections for Poland’s ruling Civic Platform (PO), told The Irish Times his father’s presence in Rome should not be confused with an endorsement. “My father disagrees with Libertas, their opinions and how Libertas works . . . But he understands that these people exist and have the right to have their voice, even if he disagrees with them.”
Asked whether his father’s presence would improve the party’s chances in next month’s European elections, he replied: “They don’t exist in Poland – they will not have any seats in the European Parliament from Poland.”
Jaroslaw Walesa declined to comment on his father’s speaking fee, but said he didn’t accept payment for his EPP address the previous day because “he is supporting it and thinks the EPP is the right way to go”.
A [COLOR=#810081]national poll[/COLOR] carried out last month also showed Libertas at 0%.
Its never too late as P.ie is p.ie the times has a bigger readership
someone needs to press release the truth on Libertas in weekly bulletins to all the local papers in the NW , longford leader etc
[COLOR=#810081]This[/COLOR] appears on the website of [COLOR=#810081]Libertas.net.pl[/COLOR] (which appears to be an unofficial Libertas Polska supporter's site):
Candidates of Election Committees LibertasKandydaci Komitetu Wyborczego Libertas
[SIZE=3][COLOR=#666666]Sobota, 02 Maj 2009 08:57 Jerzy Krajewski [/COLOR][/SIZE]
Na stronie internetowej Państwowej Komisji Wyborczej można poznać kandydatów Komitetu Wyborczego Libertas w wyborach do Parlamentu Europejskiego.
Informacje o tym są pod adresem: [COLOR=#810081]http://pe2009.pkw.gov.pl/PUE/PL/KOMITETY/k44.htm[/COLOR]
Saturday, 02 May 2009 08:57 Jerzy Krajewski
On the website of the National Electoral Commission can understand the Electoral Libertas candidates in elections to the European Parliament.
Information about this are at: [COLOR=#810081]http://pe2009.pkw.gov.pl/PUE/PL/KOMITETY/k44.htm[/COLOR]
The link to the official website of Poland's National Electoral Commission leads to some interesting information about 'Libertas' candidates in Poland.
There are 128 candidates in total running for 'Komitet Wyborczy Libertas' (Libertas Election Committee).
They're running in 13 constituencies, with 10 candidates in 12 constituencies and 8 candidates in 1 constituency.
The constituencies have names and numbers: for example, constituency 1 is Gdansk, 4 is Warsaw I, 5 is Warsaw II, 10 is Krakow.
The words 'członek Ligi Polskich Rodzin' (member of the League of Polish Families) appear again and again after the names of candidates running for 'Komitet Wyborczy Libertas' (Libertas Election Committee): 40 of these 128 candidates are listed as 'członek Ligi Polskich Rodzin' (member of the League of Polish Families).
[COLOR=#810081]Elections to the European Parliament 2009[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#810081]Elections to the European Parliament 2009[/COLOR] (list for constituency 1; 8 'członek Ligi Polskich Rodzin' [LPR] candidates out of 10)
[COLOR=#810081]Elections to the European Parliament 2009[/COLOR] (list for constituency 2; 1 LPR out of 10)
[COLOR=#810081]Elections to the European Parliament 2009[/COLOR] (list for constituency 3; 0 LPR out of 10; list headed by Ryszard Janusz BENDER)
[COLOR=#810081]Elections to the European Parliament 2009[/COLOR] (list for constituency 4; 3 LPR out of 10, including Cyprian Andrzej GUTKOWSKI; list headed by Artur Wojciech ZAWISZA, Vice-President of Libertas Polska)
[COLOR=#810081]Elections to the European Parliament 2009[/COLOR] (list for constituency 5; 5 LPR out of 10)
[COLOR=#810081]Elections to the European Parliament 2009[/COLOR] (list for constituency 6; 2 LPR out of 10)
[COLOR=#810081]Elections to the European Parliament 2009[/COLOR] (list for constituency 7; 3 LPR out of 10; list headed by Anna SOBECKA)
[COLOR=#810081]Elections to the European Parliament 2009[/COLOR] (list for constituency 8; 1 LPR out of 10)
[COLOR=#810081]Elections to the European Parliament 2009[/COLOR] (list for constituency 9; 1 LPR out of 10)
[COLOR=#810081]Elections to the European Parliament 2009[/COLOR] (list for constituency 10; 7 LPR out of 10)
[COLOR=#810081]Elections to the European Parliament 2009[/COLOR] (list for constituency 11; 4 LPR out of 8)
[COLOR=#810081]Elections to the European Parliament 2009[/COLOR] (list for constituency 12; 3 LPR out of 10)
[COLOR=#810081]Elections to the European Parliament 2009[/COLOR] (list for constituency 13; 2 LPR out of 10)
Last edited by marmurr1916; 7th May 2009 at 04:37 AM.
Great stuffOriginally Posted by marmurr1916
thanks so most of the candidates are LPF who cookie called nutjobs?
Forty out of the 128 candidates are listed as 'member of the League of Polish Families' ('członek Ligi Polskich Rodzin'): nutjobs as they were called.
I also believe that links between the LPR (or LPF = League of Polish Families) and Libertas were vehemently denied, especially for Cyprian Gutkowski, the LPR member who supported Libertas's claim to be registered as a pan-European party.
Cyprian Gutkowski is running as a candidate for the 'Komitet Wyborczy Libertas' (Libertas Election Committee) in constituency 4 (Warsaw I) and is also listed as a 'member of the League of Polish Families' ('członek Ligi Polskich Rodzin').
Last edited by marmurr1916; 7th May 2009 at 04:41 AM.
Funnily enough, the League of Polish Families has no candidates listed on the website of the National Electoral Commission:
[COLOR=#810081]http://pe2009.pkw.gov.pl/PUE/EN/KOMITETY/k35.htm[/COLOR]
Perhaps it's merely a strange co-incidence that forty out of one-hundred and twenty-eight Libertas candidates in Poland are also listed as 'member of the League of Polish Families'.
After all, we've been told:
Perhaps this situation explains why there still aren't any policies on the libertas.eu site, four weeks after this statement was posted:
What can you say? You know when you're young and you do something stupid, you know you're in for it but when your mother looks at you you know it's much worse, you know the line that's coming "I'm not angry, I'm disappointed". Right now I'm disappointed with Libertas. In any situation this kind of carry on isn't on.
Last edited by marmurr1916; 7th May 2009 at 04:46 AM.
So now we have proof that CookieMonster was not being completely truthful in spinning for Libertas.
Libertas Poland and the the League of Polish Families are essentially the same party.
Do you get the feeling the wheels are coming off the Libertas bus?
I think those wheels (transparency, accountability, democracy) were never really attached in the first place.
On the one hand you've got statements like this that there's no connection between the League of Polish Families and Libertas:
On the other hand you've got the evidence from the Polish National Electoral Commission that almost one-third of the candidates standing for KW Libertas are members of the League of Polish Families and that the League of Polish Families have no candidates listed as yet.
The denials fit a clear pattern. Take this for example:
This was in response to a claim that Declan Ganley had no political experience.
On the other hand you've got Declan Ganley's repeated claims that he's not a politician but a businessman:
I am a businessman, not a politician. I know what it takes to create wealth. I know what it will take to dig Europe out of the mess that our politicians have created.
I think that Ganley quote is the most naďve thing ever. If there was one country where it was absolutely clear that the undue influence of shady business interests had a major causal role in the economic crisis, it is Ireland.
Why should we trust a businessman to get us out of a crisis caused by businessmen? Its like putting a poacher in charge of a zoo.
Last edited by zeleneye; 7th May 2009 at 11:40 AM. Reason: propriety
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