Libertas Phone Canvas

[CookieMonster]

This stuff is lovely reading, but light years away from how Libertas are operating.

They have Joe Trippi from the US - populist - internet and phone - soundbite driven - look at Libertas's new pay-as-you-look website.

The same Joe Trippi who is a long time Democratic Party strategist who has worked with Howard Dean, John "Lovely hair" Edwards, Ted Kennedy and Walter Mondale. All good guys by accounts. And given his background and the list of those he has worked it it doesn't really fit in with the nasty right wing image you're trying so very hard to paste onto Ganley, does it?

As for soundbites, if you've ever seen Ganley speak at a public meeting or met him you will know that one thing he doesn't do well is soundbites. Why say one catchy phrase when you can talk for 20 minutes.

They also have Lynton Crosby, the man reputed to have got rightwinger Howard through three difficult elections and who recently ran Boris's victorious campaign against Ken in London.

Yes, a campaign which he won by reaching out to the voters who were long ignored by Livingston using what's been branded a "doughnut strategy". He reached out to an ignored element of his candidates constituency and it worked. Obama did much the same thing. In Europe there are three countries who made a decision which was ignored, a plethora of countries who were given a promise which was never honoured and the rest never even consulted... I think the "doughnut strategy" might work again!

Crosby is noted for using negative campaigning - check the Libertas posters and attacks on individual politicians - including push polling and every mucky technique in the book.

Yes, because nobody would ever think of using any dodgy tools against Ganley, you know, oh... like say spending almost half a million euro on commissioning a ridiculous "brass eye" like investigation.

But you know what, a bit of negative campaigning isn't a bad thing, assuming it's true, but what is bad is using taxpayer's money to do it.

Neither of these people come cheap. I was sceptical about the amount of money said to be spent by Ganley on the Lisbon Treaty Referendum, but many millions are being spent
on the campaign across Europe, including inducements to people to switch allegiance and run for Libertas. Surely this must be the most expensive campaign being run by any group in Europe, and by a party without more than a handful of members.

You've been around Europe asking, have you? You've no idea how many members or supporters Libertas has. The Libertas Lisbon campaign was funded from within the state, where as the Libertas european election campaign is funded from a pool of 27 states and an electorate of around 300 million people, more than 100 times bigger. And as I said above, from countries who voted and were ignored, countries who were told they would be given a vote and then weren't and from countries who were never asked to vote at all on the EU constitution. Couple that with the moderate message Libertas is promoting throughout Europe, on of increased democracy and of reform of wasteful spending, it's hardly surprising that Libertas could easily build support though Europe. Then add to that again our candidates; business leader, academics, former MEPs, former Prime Ministers, nurses, and ordinary people it's really not that shocking that we should be doing well. And really the campaigns are only just starting.

Given the disarray of FF and the complacency and confusion of other parties, I would not write off Libertas too easily.
Just looking at this site shows that people are frightened and angry and that some may be open to voting for a demogogic right wingers, nicely dressed up and holding their cards close to their chest as Libertas do.

You're showing an extraordinary lack of faith in people, you're not alone in this as a few other members of this board have exhibited this too.
But I'm not like you, I have faith in democracy and faith in the people to listen to the arguments, listen to the candidates, see the nonsense for what it is and vote for the people they feel are right for them and I think that in many places around Europe that person will be a Libertas candidate. Parties like FF having made a hames of things will only be a small part of our success.

[Verhofstadt]

As for soundbites, if you've ever seen Ganley speak at a public meeting or met him you will know that one thing he doesn't do well is soundbites. Why say one catchy phrase when you can talk for 20 minutes.

While waving a book (be it treaty or other) over his head with vigour!

[CookieMonster]

While waving a book (be it treaty or other) over his head with vigour!

Yeah, he used to wave a puppy but the Animal humane society took issue with it and the spear was a disaster. A book is a much better idea I think.

[cactusflower]

The same Joe Trippi who is a long time Democratic Party strategist who has worked with Howard Dean, John "Lovely hair" Edwards, Ted Kennedy and Walter Mondale. All good guys by accounts. And given his background and the list of those he has worked it it doesn't really fit in with the nasty right wing image you're trying so very hard to paste onto Ganley, does it?

Straw man, Cookiemonster. He is a professional: the point I was making to posters on this thread is that Libertas is running a professional campaign, and has hired extremely able people.

As for soundbites, if you've ever seen Ganley speak at a public meeting or met him you will know that one thing he doesn't do well is soundbites. Why say one catchy phrase when you can talk for 20 minutes.

He never does anything else but soundbites. He has been giving the same speech since 2004. If he stretches it out, he just repeats himself.

Yes, a campaign which he won by reaching out to the voters who were long ignored by Livingston using what's been branded a "doughnut strategy". He reached out to an ignored element of his candidates constituency and it worked. Obama did much the same thing. In Europe there are three countries who made a decision which was ignored, a plethora of countries who were given a promise which was never honoured and the rest never even consulted... I think the "doughnut strategy" might work again!

An appeal to the disaffected middle classes?

Yes, because nobody would ever think of using any dodgy tools against Ganley, you know, oh... like say spending almost half a million euro on commissioning a ridiculous "brass eye" like investigation.

But you know what, a bit of negative campaigning isn't a bad thing, assuming it's true, but what is bad is using taxpayer's money to do it.

The self serving bashing of Ganley by people who are politically quite close to him has never had any sympathy from me.

You've been around Europe asking, have you? You've no idea how many members or supporters Libertas has.

I seem to have more idea than you do. You usually deny all knowledge of Libertas's membership.

The Libertas Lisbon campaign was funded from within the state,

Was it? How much money has Ganley earned in Ireland ? Most of his firms are in tax havens or in the US.

where as the Libertas european election campaign is funded from a pool of 27 states and an electorate of around 300 million people, more than 100 times bigger.

So how is it that Ganley has been reported as offering to pick up the tab on loans for candidates in Poland ? Can you definitively confirm that it is not happening elsewhere? Why do people in the Junelist Party say that Libertas has offered them money to change the name of their party to Junelist Libertas ?

And as I said above, from countries who voted and were ignored, countries who were told they would be given a vote and then weren't and from countries who were never asked to vote at all on the EU constitution. Couple that with the moderate message Libertas is promoting throughout Europe, on of increased democracy and of reform of wasteful spending, it's hardly surprising that Libertas could easily build support though Europe.

The EU is a rich man's club: Ganley should fit in well there, if he gets elected.

Then add to that again our candidates; business leader, academics, former MEPs, former Prime Ministers, nurses, and ordinary people it's really not that shocking that we should be doing well.

Got a list of candidates Cookiemonster? Now that would be helpful.

And really the campaigns are only just starting.

How many candidates/countries have dropped out/failed to register so far?

You're showing an extraordinary lack of faith in people, you're not alone in this as a few other members of this board have exhibited this too.
But I'm not like you, I have faith in democracy and faith in the people to listen to the arguments, listen to the candidates, see the nonsense for what it is and vote for the people they feel are right for them and I think that in many places around Europe that person will be a Libertas candidate. Parties like FF having made a hames of things will only be a small part of our success.

If expensive advertising didn't work, why do people spend millions on it? I have plenty of faith in people, to the extent that I think that some will take Ganley/Libertas on trust, and will not realise the amount of disinformation and concealment that is going on in their campaign.

[lostexpectation]

Libertas gets on the phones to canvass 100,000 households - National News, Frontpage - Independent.ie

LIBERTAS will contact over 100,000 households nationwide in the next six weeks as part of a major new phone canvassing operation.
The calls from the party's 'phone bank' will be made by 15 full-time 'genuine volunteers' who will receive no expenses or payment, the organisation said.
The party has devoted 'some resources, not a huge amount' to the operation in Ardee, Co Louth, where Libertas candidate Raymond O'Malley is based.

wher ethey getting the phone numbers, i presume its legal to use random ones, (as long as there are not on the do not call list)

or where did they get the phone numbers from.

[ibis]

Libertas gets on the phones to canvass 100,000 households - National News, Frontpage - Independent.ie



wher ethey getting the phone numbers, i presume it legla to random ones, (as there are not on the do not call list)

or where did they get the phone numbers from.

Presumably the same place they got the addresses they gave to the Austrians during the referendum.

[CookieMonster]

Libertas gets on the phones to canvass 100,000 households - National News, Frontpage - Independent.ie



wher ethey getting the phone numbers, i presume it legla to random ones, (as there are not on the do not call list)

or where did they get the phone numbers from.

There are various ways to get numbers, usually random generation. A certain set of number in a given area will start with 656 and end with **** so you just work from 656 0001 onward. I can't remember the exact methodology but it's something like that.

I don't know much about the phone bank but I am told that they're receiving great feedback.

[gahane]

Actually FF have been putting their toe in the water on phone messaging for some time now.

[Bobert]

In this election or others?