Deutschland says Libertas Nein Danke as Libertas fail in Germany bid for EU

[COMMIE]

Can anybody tell me how many libertas candidates are running in the EU elections?

[setanta]

Can anybody tell me how many libertas candidates are running in the EU elections?

I don't think that even Libertas can tell you that, Commie.

[passthedutchie]

20 April was the dealine for the registration of parties in Finland. Seeing as the Finnish Ministry of Justice still seems to regard the list dated 1/1/2009 as the official list, I take it that since then no new parties have registered for the upcoming elections, so no Libertas either.
Now, individual candidates can still register until the 28th, but they would need 2000 supporters for that, and since Libertas Suomi/Finland doesn’t even seem to exist yet...
I guess they’re hoping that Perussuomalaiset – Sannfinländarna will get one or two seats -as polls indicate they will-, and that they will then team up with Libertas after the elections (provided that Libertas manage to get anyone elected at all).

Pretty much the same situation in Italy, where parties wishing to take part in the upcoming elections have registered their party logos (PDF). Again, not a trace of Libertas.
Always the helpful one, I have looked for potential partners among the registered parties. Of course, the ever lovely Alessandra ‘granddaughter of’ Mussolini is a close match policy-wise, but an even more appropriate match would be the wonderful Partito Impotenti...

I’m not entirely sure this means Libertas is definitively out of the race in Italy. The Interior Ministry website has several big chunks of text on the issue that I’m too tired to read through right now. If anyone knows more, please enlighten me (and by that I mean someone with actual knowledge of true facts, so the usual clowns (“There are no plans not to run candidates”) need not reply). If they’re not running in Italy, that’d be yet another big blow to their ambitions.

In Spain, Ciudadanos has been plunged into a crisis, their decision to become part of the increasingly dysfunctional Libertas family proving too much for many of the more intellectual members of that party, with many already leaving or threatening to do so. It’s all very well for Libertas to buy out ailing domestic parties, but if that merely leads to an even more acute collapse in support for those parties, then what’s the gain for Libertas?

And lastly, the latest polls from Poland show Libertas getting... *drum roll* ...nothing! Nada, nichts, zero, nil points, nothing whatsoever, completely off the radar. Very embarrassing, since they have been active in Poland for quite some time now, it being one of the very few countries where Libertas have received at least some high-profile coverage. I guess the links to the extreme right and endemic sleaze eventually did them in.

[Verhofstadt]

Interesting stuff.. especially the Poland polling numbers.

I reckon they've a good chance of 1 in France and 1 in Czech Republic, with an outside chance in the Netherlands and a chance with Ganley as well.

Haven't Libertas already entered a partnership in Finland?

[passthedutchie]

Interesting stuff.. especially the Poland polling numbers.

I reckon they've a good chance of 1 in France and 1 in Czech Republic, with an outside chance in the Netherlands and a chance with Ganley as well.

The situation in the Czech Republic is the same as in Poland: Libertas get a lot of coverage but are just too unappealing/controversial for the voters, so they're not expected to get any seats there either.

Their chances of success in the Netherlands are very slim indeed. Attention has already been drawn to the discrepancies between the policies of the various national Libertas parties - Libertas France runs on a platform dominated by opposition to Turkey's accession, and then Libertas Nederland blows it by stating that they'd be happy to welcome Turkey into the EU.

Haven't Libertas already entered a partnership in Finland?

Not formally, though there have been flirtations with Perussuomalaiset/Sannfinländarna (their leader, Timo Soini, was one of the signatories of Libertas' fraudulent application for recognition as a Europarty).

[marmurr1916]

20 April was the dealine for the registration of parties in Finland. Seeing as the Finnish Ministry of Justice still seems to regard the list dated 1/1/2009 as the official list, I take it that since then no new parties have registered for the upcoming elections, so no Libertas either.
Now, individual candidates can still register until the 28th, but they would need 2000 supporters for that, and since Libertas Suomi/Finland doesn’t even seem to exist yet...
I guess they’re hoping that Perussuomalaiset – Sannfinländarna will get one or two seats -as polls indicate they will-, and that they will then team up with Libertas after the elections (provided that Libertas manage to get anyone elected at all).

Pretty much the same situation in Italy, where parties wishing to take part in the upcoming elections have registered their party logos (PDF). Again, not a trace of Libertas.
Always the helpful one, I have looked for potential partners among the registered parties. Of course, the ever lovely Alessandra ‘granddaughter of’ Mussolini is a close match policy-wise, but an even more appropriate match would be the wonderful Partito Impotenti...

I’m not entirely sure this means Libertas is definitively out of the race in Italy. The Interior Ministry website has several big chunks of text on the issue that I’m too tired to read through right now. If anyone knows more, please enlighten me (and by that I mean someone with actual knowledge of true facts, so the usual clowns (“There are no plans not to run candidates”) need not reply). If they’re not running in Italy, that’d be yet another big blow to their ambitions.

In Spain, Ciudadanos has been plunged into a crisis, their decision to become part of the increasingly dysfunctional Libertas family proving too much for many of the more intellectual members of that party, with many already leaving or threatening to do so. It’s all very well for Libertas to buy out ailing domestic parties, but if that merely leads to an even more acute collapse in support for those parties, then what’s the gain for Libertas?

And lastly, the latest polls from Poland show Libertas getting... *drum roll* ...nothing! Nada, nichts, zero, nil points, nothing whatsoever, completely off the radar. Very embarrassing, since they have been active in Poland for quite some time now, it being one of the very few countries where Libertas have received at least some high-profile coverage. I guess the links to the extreme right and endemic sleaze eventually did them in.

Thanks for that, interesting stuff.

According to the Spanish report:

Las mismas fuentes han deplorado que se haya decidido integrar a C´s en una coalición "con aromas de la extrema derecha", antieuropea y antiabortista, sin abrir antes un debate interno y democrático en el partido.

The same sources have deplored the decision he [Albert Rivera, leader of the Ciudadanos, the Cs] took to integrate the Cs into a coalition "with flavours of the extreme right", anti-european and anti-abortion, without opening an internal and democratic debate within the party beforehand.

And here's me thinking that Libertas were committed to openness, transparency and democracy...

It also shows that, despite claims to the contrary, many people still see Libertas as an anti-EU party with links to the "extreme right".

[Verhofstadt]

Thanks for that, interesting stuff.

According to the Spanish report:



The same sources have deplored the decision he [Albert Rivera, leader of the Ciudadanos, the Cs] took to integrate the Cs into a coalition "with flavours of the extreme right", anti-european and anti-abortion, without opening an internal and democratic debate within the party beforehand.

And here's me thinking that Libertas were committed to openness, transparency and democracy...

It also shows that, despite claims to the contrary, many people still see Libertas as an anti-EU party with links to the "extreme right".

Why oh why are Libertas so misunderstood?

Could it be that the total lack of policy published by Libertas leads observers to look into the past actions / memberships of it's candidates and form their own opinions?

[OMahonyMunster]

Why oh why are Libertas so misunderstood?

Could it be that the total lack of policy published by Libertas leads observers to look into the past actions / memberships of it's candidates and form their own opinions?

Excatly the point that led to loads of posters being banned form P.ie
of course fashion and their pasts is all we have to go on with Libertas they have no policies and lie about their supporters ie "we are not in League with the far right League of Polish families"

[toxic avenger]

Excatly the point that led to loads of posters being banned form P.ie

That's a porkie, pk. You know why you were banned, and it wasn't for being critical of Libertas (why weren't Ibis and NDS/MPH/TommyO'Brien banned?). I told you, stick to politically attacking Libertas, not the site.

[OMahonyMunster]

That's a porkie, pk. You know why you were banned, and it wasn't for being critical of Libertas (why weren't Ibis and NDS/MPH/TommyO'Brien banned?). I told you, stick to politically attacking Libertas, not the site.

These days there are too many to ban anyway, it was the anti Libertasistas who had more info that suffered last years purge, this year the lesson has been learned as there would not be blogs like Libertas Nein Danke getting huge pan European /Global Google placings and thousands of hits per week if certain posters had been let spout off here.