Libertas in hot water in Poland over media corruption and alledged illegal activities

[cactusflower]

All of the Libertas representatives who applied to the EU for registration of Libertas as a pan european party were members of Libertas: a photograph of their signed membership forms was posted on the Libertas website.

Members of national parliaments that Libertas lists on its founding documents are:

Philippe de Villiers: French MEP and leader of the Eurosceptic party, Movement for France (MPF).
Paul-Marie Coûteaux: Also a MPF MEP.
Georgios Georgiou: A Greek MEP and member of the Popular Orthodox Rally, a party that previously held anti-Semitic views.
David Alton: A non-affiliated member of the UK House of Lords, known for his Catholic and anti-abortion views
Timo Juhani Soini: a member of the Finnish parliament and leader of the anti-EU party, True Finns.
Hristov Kouminev: A member of the Bulgarian Parliament and nationalist party Attack.
Cyprian Gutkowski: A member of a Polish regional assembly and the League of Polish Families party, noted for its right-wing and anti-homosexual views.

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Attac is widely described as a facist party. No Bulgarian Parliamentary Party will form a coalition with it, due to its xenophobia and to hazard posed to minorities.

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[FutureTaoiseach]

Georgios Georgiou: A Greek MEP and member of the Popular Orthodox Rally, a party that previously held anti-Semitic views.

Meaning it doesn't now?

David Alton: A non-affiliated member of the UK House of Lords, known for his Catholic and anti-abortion views

Views not uncommon in Ireland, then.

Philippe de Villiers: French MEP and leader of the Eurosceptic party, Movement for France (MPF).
Paul-Marie Coûteaux: Also a MPF MEP.

A perfectly valid opinion to have on an EU which is refusing to accept the results of 3 referenda.

[evercloserunion]

In order to ascertain exactly how honest the Libertas heads are being here in being all self-righteous about playing the man and not the ball, I wonder if someone could confirm whether the organization still considers this kind of thing to be kosher:

[marmurr1916]

Let's summarise here: not only was the Libertas application for recognition as a pan-EU party suppported by Cyprian Gutkowski, a member of LPR (elected as an LPR candidate) who became a member of Libertas, but now Libertas is running a joint list of candidates with LPR.

Yet a leading Libertas member has consistently claimed that Libertas has no connections with the LPR, that LPR is a rival party to Libertas in Poland, and that the LPR are a bunch of right-wing 'nut jobs'.

I wonder do members of the Spanich political party, the Ciudadanos, who are having a meeting today to decide whether or not to continue their alliance with Libertas, know about the connections between Libertas and the LPR?

I doubt that the Ciudadanos members who are opposed to their leadership's decision to form an electoral alliance with Libertas, without prior internal democratic debate within the party, and who have described Libertas as an anti-European, anti-abortion party with "flavours of the extreme right", are going to be happy when they hear the news from Radio Polskie...

[FutureTaoiseach]

In order to ascertain exactly how honest the Libertas heads are being here in being all self-righteous about playing the man and not the ball, I wonder if someone could confirm whether the organization still considers this kind of thing to be kosher:

It seems kosher to me. She did say it. Politics is - as Bill Clinton said in the primaries - a contact-sport.

[CookieMonster]

Let's summarise here: not only was the Libertas application for recognition as a pan-EU party suppported by Cyprian Gutkowski, a member of LPR (elected as an LPR candidate) who became a member of Libertas, but now Libertas is running a joint list of candidates with LPR.

Libertas is? Where is this list? Has it been announced on their website? All I've seen is an article on a Polish radio website. But even if they are, and I am not saying that they are, the great thing about democracy is that nobody has to vote for them or any Libertas candidate if they don't want to. The same thing goes for every Libertas candidate, or indeed the candidate for any political party, in any country in the EU.
You seem to have a very low level of trust in the European Electorate to inform themselves and make up their own minds. They Dutch, French and Irish obviously can't be trusted to make decisions for themselves, are we now to add the Poles to this list?

Yet a leading Libertas member has consistently claimed that Libertas has no connections with the LPR, that LPR is a rival party to Libertas in Poland, and that the LPR are a bunch of right-wing 'nut jobs'.

I've seen no evidence of any sort of alliance or cooperation with the Polish League of Families party either from Libertas or the LPR.

I wonder do members of the Spanich political party, the Ciudadanos, who are having a meeting today to decide whether or not to continue their alliance with Libertas, know about the connections between Libertas and the LPR?

So you've no faith in the French, Dutch, Irish, Poles and now the Spanish are too stupid to inform themselves before making decisions, or is it just the people in Ciudadanos who are too stupid to be allowed out alone? Does your lack of faith in people extend to everybody or just those who disagree with you?

I doubt that the Ciudadanos members who are opposed to their leadership's decision to form an electoral alliance with Libertas, without prior internal democratic debate within the party, and who have described Libertas as an anti-European, anti-abortion party with "flavours of the extreme right", are going to be happy when they hear the news from Radio Polskie...

They might be smarter then you seem to think they are and wait to hear from their party colleagues and Libertas, you know so they might get the truth first hand rather then unverified gossip from a radio station website.

[ibis]

It seems kosher to me. She did say it. Politics is - as Bill Clinton said in the primaries - a contact-sport.

It's not a question of whether she said it, FT, it's a question of whether Lucinda Creighton's opinion on EU armies was relevant to the discussion of Lisbon.

It's more generally a question of whether Libertas have a history of playing the man rather than the ball. We need look no further than their poster campaigns at the time of the referendum, but if we do need to, we can find examples like the "Swimmer Jim" smear, which was simply false - despite which people like Cookie went on using the term. Libertas operate almost entirely by smear and innuendo, while crying about how their opponents are doing so.

[FutureTaoiseach]

It's not a question of whether she said it, FT, it's a question of whether Lucinda Creighton's opinion on EU armies was relevant to the discussion of Lisbon.

It's more generally a question of whether Libertas have a history of playing the man rather than the ball. We need look no further than their poster campaigns at the time of the referendum, but if we do need to, we can find examples like the "Swimmer Jim" smear, which was simply false - despite which people like Cookie went on using the term. Libertas operate almost entirely by smear and innuendo, while crying about how their opponents are doing so.

I don't recall that smear from the campaign and haven't a clue what it was about. The views of politicians supporting Lisbon are pertinant to the debate on Lisbon, because they provide a context in which their reasons for supporting it can be more clearly understood.

[ibis]

I don't recall that smear from the campaign and haven't a clue what it was about. The views of politicians supporting Lisbon are pertinant to the debate on Lisbon, because they provide a context in which their reasons for supporting it can be more clearly understood.

They don't if you use a several year old quote, which Libertas did. The "Swimmer Jim" smear is from Ganley's current MEP campaign, not the referendum.

[CookieMonster]

They don't if you use a several year old quote, which Libertas did. The "Swimmer Jim" smear is from Ganley's current MEP campaign, not the referendum.

It's not Ganley's fauly Jimmy voted to regrout the tiles, is it?