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    Ministers that could be defeated?

    If there were a general election tomorrow which ministers (if any) would be defeated?

    For what its worth, here is my list on those that could, potentially and maybe conceivably, lose:

    Cabinet:
    Batt O'Keefe
    Mary Hanafin
    Dermot Ahern
    John Gormley
    Eamonn Ryan

    Junior:
    Pat Carey
    Peter Power
    Maire Hoctor
    Martin Manseragh
    Barry Andrews
    Mary Wallace
    Sean Power
    Trevor Sargent
    Political Compass, July 2007:
    Economic Left/Right: 4.88
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.03

    My slow drift to the right continues....

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    I'd add Martin Cullen to the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by st3ph3n View Post
    I'd add Martin Cullen to the list.
    One can only dream....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liberal333 View Post
    If there were a general election tomorrow which ministers (if any) would be defeated?

    For what its worth, here is my list on those that could, potentially and maybe conceivably, lose:

    Cabinet:
    Batt O'Keefe
    Mary Hanafin
    Dermot Ahern
    John Gormley
    Eamonn Ryan

    Junior:
    Pat Carey
    Peter Power
    Maire Hoctor
    Martin Manseragh
    Barry Andrews
    Mary Wallace
    Sean Power
    Trevor Sargent
    I'll only comment on the one - from my Constituency - Batt O'Keeffe

    It's only a 3 seater with 2 FF and 1 FG at the mo. I still think there would likely be at least one FFer in there with an Election despite all the hubub of the moment. There are sufficient die hard FF supporters around Cork NW to prob ensure that. Of course it is very possible that there may only be one FFer elected next time round in Cork NW - it was that way here with 2 FGers before during times when FF had far better general support.

    So it would come down to O'Keeffe and Moynihan the FFers (assuming both were standing again). O'Keeffe's part of the Constituency (Ballincollig) only recently became part of it for the first time in 2007 and obviously there is a huge population around such area.

    So I'd hazard a guess in a re-election Cork NW would return one FF, one or more FG or maybe one FG and one Labour TD

    I'd think the FFer would be Batt and Moynihan would lose out this time

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    All except for Michael Martin, Willie O Dea & Dermot Ahern. I wouldn't be at all suprised if Cowen lost his seat too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by st3ph3n View Post
    I'd add Martin Cullen to the list.
    No chance. He won't top the poll but he will get in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanzaspud View Post
    No chance. He won't top the poll but he will get in.
    I'd agree with that
    And some people seem to think that there will be a cull of FF left right and center. There won't be one of biblical proportions. One will still see a sizeable number of FFers getting re-elected if there were an Election called ... they might start limping in towards the end of the pack in Constituencies for re-election but they will still get in

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    Quote Originally Posted by super pedestrian View Post
    All except for Michael Martin, Willie O Dea & Dermot Ahern. I wouldn't be at all suprised if Cowen lost his seat too.
    Barring a complete meltdown of catastrophic proportions he won't go......

    But more than the token one defeated minister of every other election could go (Michael McDowell, Mary O'Rourke, Niamh Breathnach...)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liberal333 View Post
    If there were a general election tomorrow which ministers (if any) would be defeated?

    For what its worth, here is my list on those that could, potentially and maybe conceivably, lose:

    Cabinet:
    Batt O'Keefe
    Mary Hanafin
    Dermot Ahern
    John Gormley
    Eamonn Ryan
    None of them will lose a seat. You're just having a wet dream.

    Ministers losing seats is all but unheard of in Irish politics. The seats that FF will lose are their second seats in various constituencies, not their primary candidates, and definitely not their Ministers.

    Ryan and Gormley are running in constituencies where their primary opponents have left the stage.
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    Do not underestimate the Irish electorates ability to hoodwinked time and time again by FF's brand of codology. I've long suspected that the irish public may be suffering from some form of mass insanity, that is if you except its definition as "continually doing the same thing thing over and over again, yet expecting a different outcome"

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