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Thread: Tactic to save Fianna Fail....run Lisbon in June.

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    Tactic to save Fianna Fail....run Lisbon in June.

    Fianna Fail will now try and run the Lisbon referendum (the illegitimate one) on the samer day as thye local and European elections. The opposition will be expected to tone down their remarks against Fianna Fail on the grounds it may work against Lisbon passing. It will be nigh impossible for the opposition to attack Fianna Fail in the morning and then campaign with them on Lisbon in the afternoon. Whats the betting I am right??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldira1 View Post
    Fianna Fail will now try and run the Lisbon referendum (the illegitimate one) on the samer day as thye local and European elections. The opposition will be expected to tone down their remarks against Fianna Fail on the grounds it may work against Lisbon passing. It will be nigh impossible for the opposition to attack Fianna Fail in the morning and then campaign with them on Lisbon in the afternoon. Whats the betting I am right??

    Why would it, that suggests the electorate are too stupid to be able to differentiate between the two. FG can canvass for Lisbon and still mercilessly attack FF. There’s no real conflict of interest here.
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    It makes a lot of sense, it would distract from all the bad news and they have nothing to loose at this stage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Doyle View Post
    Why would it, that suggests the electorate are too stupid to be able to differentiate between the two. FG can canvass for Lisbon and still mercilessly attack FF. There’s no real conflict of interest here.

    Thats pretty naive. The government already think the electorate is stupid...why else re-run a referendum? Also you know image is very important in elections. It will be hard for Gilmore to stand beside Cowen and appeal for a yes vote while at the same time insist he is a corrupt incompetent fool. Sinn Fein will make hay as they will be seen as the only TRUE opposition party to the establishment corruption that has economically raped this country.n

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    It makes sense, from their pov, to run it before fear turns to anger. June may be too late of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TradCat View Post
    It makes sense, from their pov, to run it before fear turns to anger. June may be too late of course.
    It is already too late for FF. The pro-Lisbonites had better be very worried that they will be grouped in with the FF massacre in the polls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldira1 View Post
    Thats pretty naive. The government already think the electorate is stupid...why else re-run a referendum? Also you know image is very important in elections. It will be hard for Gilmore to stand beside Cowen and appeal for a yes vote while at the same time insist he is a corrupt incompetent fool. Sinn Fein will make hay as they will be seen as the only TRUE opposition party to the establishment corruption that has economically raped this country.n
    I think this comment, more than the OP in fact, demonstrates your complete lack of confidence in the ability of the Irish people to chew gum and fart at the same time. Just because you have a difficulty differentiating between political issues, doesn't mean that the Irish people are similarly handicapped.

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    Sinn Féin did benefit from being the only Dáil party on the same side as the majority last time.

    I hear that the Portuguese Greens oppose Lisbon (what about that for geo-political improbability?) - if so maybe the Irish Greens might yet grow towards the light...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldira1 View Post
    Thats pretty naive.
    Eh what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldira1 View Post
    The government already think the electorate is stupid...
    Of course they do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldira1 View Post
    why else re-run a referendum?.
    Brussels told them to.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldira1 View Post
    Also you know image is very important in elections.
    Now who’s being naive?



    Quote Originally Posted by Oldira1 View Post
    It will be hard for Gilmore to stand beside Cowen and appeal for a yes vote.
    He doesn’t have to stand beside him. The political parties do not to present a united front, they can simply appeal to their voter base.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldira1 View Post
    while at the same time insist he is a corrupt incompetent fool..
    I think the electorate have already made up their minds on that front.

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    Sinn Fein will make hay as they will be seen as the only TRUE opposition party to the establishment corruption that has economically raped this country.n
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    And that means what exactly? I think in the current climate Lisbon would pass comfortably.

    What SF does in that regard is largely irrelevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Doyle View Post
    Eh what?



    Of course they do.



    Brussels told them to.

    Why should we do what Brussels tells us. That is dictatorship

    Now who’s being naive?

    Proves my point. That image works in South Kerry. If he ran in Dublin South I am sure a blazer and a cravat would work





    He doesn’t have to stand beside him. The political parties do not to present a united front, they can simply appeal to their voter base.
    He stood beside him last June.


    I think the electorate have already made up their minds on that front.

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    And that means what exactly? I think in the current climate Lisbon would pass comfortably.

    Why? Maybe the penny will drop that being part of the Eurozone has nearly destroyed us.

    What SF does in that regard is largely irrelevant.
    We will see. Labour gets a good poll and immediatly some supporters switch to arrogant mode.

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