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Thread: Annual insurance costs of storing e-voting machines close to €90,000

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    Annual insurance costs of storing e-voting machines close to €90,000

    Can we please, please,please now just recycle these on the WEE scheme and then at least they would not cost us anything more???


    First of the savings needed achieved!!!!
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    or stick them into the Dail chamber where they will be guarded, heated nicely and brightly lit all year round.

    http://www.politics.ie/environment/4...odys-home.html

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    Whats the insurance for? We don't want the damn things, and we certainly don't want them replaced if they are stolen.
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    Why don't we fix them and use them?

    Fix them in the make them work properly sense.
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    Please.....

    If these machines were robbed and found to be uninsured the department of the environment would be lambasted for its incompetence.

    I know no-one wants them (including myself) and they will never be used but it is logical and reasonable for the department to insure its property.

    What is not reasonable is keeping the damn things. Recycle them like the original poster said and we will save on this and the cost of storing them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corcaigh33 View Post
    Why don't we fix them and use them?

    Fix them in the make them work properly sense.
    Why? The current system works quite well. We have less than one election or referendum per year on average - would you invest in an expensive it network that would be used - at best - on one day every year?
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    Quote Originally Posted by seabhcan View Post
    Why? The current system works quite well. We have less than one election or referendum per year on average - would you invest in an expensive it network that would be used - at best - on one day every year?
    To be honest I don't know if they can be fixed (made to work properly and securely).
    But if they can why shouldn't we pay for that to happen and use them.
    The money we are spending on insurance I would imagine is less than what we spend paying local authority officials at counts up and down the country, especially when there are recounts at weekends and everyone is paid overtime or double time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D.Harry View Post
    Firstly we need an investigation into the awarding of the contract for their storage.
    ContractS

    Every County set up their own contracts for storage, and the supplier had set down the specification for the storage which were used for the tenders. There isn't a whole lot to the storage contracts.

    The real investigation should be into the awarding of the contract, and Deputy Billy Kelleher's performance at the Joint Oireachtas Committee Meetings in late 2003.

    I want to know why Deputy Kelleher was so insistent that the evidence presented to the Committee by independent IT experts should be ignored, and that the contract should be signed for the purchase straight away.

    The CEV saw the same evidence, from the same experts, and decided they couldn't be used - but that was after the machines had been purchased, and after the contract had been modified to specify that they couldn't be returned even if they didn't work.

    What does Billy Kelleher know?

    Who put him up to this?

    ..... and can we have our money back? Pretty please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spidermom View Post
    Can we please, please,please now just recycle these on the WEE scheme and then at least they would not cost us anything more???


    First of the savings needed achieved!!!!
    Oh get rid of them, sell em for €1 or whatever token amount...
    let's see bout a suitable Advertisement .... "Electronic Voting Machines for sale - highly advanced - accuracy may be guaranteed with proper calibration"
    Maybe Mugabe might be interested in them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corcaigh33 View Post
    To be honest I don't know if they can be fixed (made to work properly and securely).
    But if they can why shouldn't we pay for that to happen and use them.
    The money we are spending on insurance I would imagine is less than what we spend paying local authority officials at counts up and down the country, especially when there are recounts at weekends and everyone is paid overtime or double time.

    Result known in hour or 2 - job done.
    They can't be "fixed". They never worked properly - were never capable of working properly.


    And the staffing costs of running an election with eVoting is more than with paper. It takes more man-hours to staff the polling stations than it does to man the Count, and the eVoting system requires more staff in the polling stations than paper voting.

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