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    Dame_Enda Dame_Enda is offline
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    Too many 3-seaters. A constitutional amendment should be introduced to have equal seat numbers for each constituency.

    In 1973, the FG-Labour govt introduced the Tullymander, which FG-Labour thought would help them by increasing per-constituency seat numbers. It backfired spectacularly. But gerrymandering is still possible under our system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    Too many 3-seaters. A constitutional amendment should be introduced to have equal seat numbers for each constituency.

    In 1973, the FG-Labour govt introduced the Tullymander, which FG-Labour thought would help them by increasing per-constituency seat numbers. It backfired spectacularly. But gerrymandering is still possible under our system.
    How is it gerrymandering? Some constituencies have seen huge population growth. Some huge decline
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    ARTICLE 16
    4° The Oireachtas shall revise the constituencies at least once in every twelve years, with due regard to changes in distribution of the population, but any alterations in the constituencies shall not take effect during the life of Dáil Éireann sitting when such revision is made.
    It's certainly a lot less than 12 years since the last changes were made (after the 2013 review) so it's hard to see a constitutional issue here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by statsman View Post
    But have they?
    In the Costello case I don't know.
    But the courts have declared certain legislation to be unconstitutional in the past as I'm sure you already know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Field Marshal View Post
    In the Costello case I don't know.
    But the courts have declared certain legislation to be unconstitutional in the past as I'm sure you already know.
    Yes, but that's not the same thing as telling the Dail they have to bring legislation or orders forward, as in this case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    Too many 3-seaters. A constitutional amendment should be introduced to have equal seat numbers for each constituency.

    In 1973, the FG-Labour govt introduced the Tullymander, which FG-Labour thought would help them by increasing per-constituency seat numbers. It backfired spectacularly. But gerrymandering is still possible under our system.
    Not only that, but Eoghan Murphy is currently attempting a gerrymander on a huge scale, after the Labour Party's idea that larger council constituencies would help them in the last local elections.

    There should be no three seat constituencies.. they are inherently undemocratic in that they favour the larger parties disproportionately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by statsman View Post
    The separation of powers means that each arm protects its powers carefully. It is not the role of the courts to make law, only to interpret it and rule on its constitutionality.
    'separation of powers'... that's some laugh. We're staring straight at a situation where the AG's office, the Gardai, the Dept of Justice and ministerial 'Special advisors' have effectively been in collusion in a strategy designed to attack one man's personal integrity and credibility out of a misguided sense of revenge.

    Not much 'separation of powers' there. They were short one bent judge from a full house of all institutions ranged up against one man who happened to be able to prove he was right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erudite Caveman View Post
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    So which is it? Or is this just a scattergun attack?
    I answered two different posts
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_SR View Post
    How is it gerrymandering? Some constituencies have seen huge population growth. Some huge decline
    If a constituency has roughly the same population as another, there is no reason they shouldnt have the same number of seats, other than outdated provisions of the constitution and guidelines that place importance on our 400 year county boundaries which were drawn up by the Tudors. We need a constitutional amendment so that the constituencies are based solely on population and have the same population within say 1%.
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    Another bitter loser moaning
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