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    devoutcapitalist devoutcapitalist is offline

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    As for today's election the CDU/CSU should emerge on top again in September.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devoutcapitalist View Post
    They've only had 8 Chancellors since 1949. With a couple of exceptions they tend to stay in power for at least 5 years, Kohl-roughly 16 years, Adeneaur - 14 years and Merkel 11.5 years and counting.

    Schmidt lasted 8 years while Schroeder lasted 7 years.
    It helps that all of them were competent in their own right, the only chancellor considered to be unqualified for the office by historians was Ludwig Erhardt, and he was before that a highly succesful economy minister (and not without reason is called "father of the economic miralce in the 1950s).

    Of course the chancellor who is almost universally praised (and in my book second only to Adenauer), Willy Brandt, only lasted 5 years, but his party retained power for another 8 years so he counts.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Eagle of the Ninth View Post
    This is why English monoglots who devour Fleet St and Fox will always be surprised when European elections dont turn out the way they think they should.

    Because they dont realise that cartoons and memes in the Anglosphere about European electorates are meaningless.
    It doesn't help that many British tabloids paint a blatantly wrong picture of the situation in Germany. If you were to rely on the Daily Mail, Sun, or the Express you'd think that Germany is in a chaotic situation right now. Never mind that unemployment is almost nonexistent, we have a budget surplus and the refugee situation is under control. It is also worth pointing out that despite problems, Germany has not endured a terroristic incident similar to Paris, London, or Madrid. The incident last christmas in Berlin was bad, but the body count was significantly lower than those terroristic attacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tacitus View Post
    It helps that all of them were competent in their own right, the only chancellor considered to be unqualified for the office by historians was Ludwig Erhardt, and he was before that a highly succesful economy minister (and not without reason is called "father of the economic miralce in the 1950s).

    Of course the chancellor who is almost universally praised (and in my book second only to Adenauer), Willy Brandt, only lasted 5 years, but his party retained power for another 8 years so he counts.



    It doesn't help that many British tabloids paint a blatantly wrong picture of the situation in Germany. If you were to rely on the Daily Mail, Sun, or the Express you'd think that Germany is in a chaotic situation right now. Never mind that unemployment is almost nonexistent, we have a budget surplus and the refugee situation is under control. It is also worth pointing out that despite problems, Germany has not endured a terroristic incident similar to Paris, London, or Madrid. The incident last christmas in Berlin was bad, but the body count was significantly lower than those terroristic attacks.
    The Germans always did undercover policing very well.
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    Interesting article on the meaning of the election in NRW:

    What does the victory of Merkel

    The gist is not much different than what I said in the OP. The CDU has momentum, SPD doesn't and the AfD is not doing well.
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    Barring events dear boy, Merkel is set to win big in September. The SPD are effectively the junior coalition partner, and will thus take all the blame and none of the credit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justinian View Post
    ... the AfD is not doing well.
    They're ripping themselves apart at the moment.

    Happy days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ted08 View Post
    80 million v's 4.5 million, it does tell.
    Country run by engineers vs country run by teachers. It does tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sister Mercedes View Post
    Country run by engineers vs country run by teachers. It does tell.
    Ireland GDP per capita: 62562
    German GDP per capita: 41902
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    Quote Originally Posted by midlander12 View Post
    Looks like a disaster for the SPD in North Rhine Westphalia - only 30%, 4 points behind the CDU. Their alleged rebound under Schulz didn't last long. Another once-powerful European left-liberal party fading away?
    The left has lost the debate big time. Surprised at the SPD. They tend to be more pragmatic than the other left wing parties and less mired in identity politics.
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    Now that is an OP!
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