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    Quote Originally Posted by Tacitus View Post
    The Green party does not oppose the Nato on principle and dismantling/ leaving the organization has not been part of their party program for a long time.
    Which Green Party?

    "The Green Party"

    Which one?

    Presumably the German Green party, that’s what we’re talking about.

    I wanted to be clear as every Green Party across the landmass of Europe and across the Americas would have slightly different policies.

    Just in case some party apparatchik would make the mistake of un-necessarily generalising. The plebs are not all homogenous.

    . . . . . . . . and a provincialist minded party apparatchik at that. The environmental movement across Europe is not run out of Platz vor dem Neuen (German Green Party HQ).

    Get with the (new party) program, dammit!
    You say the (German) Green Party have changed their party program with regard to the war-criminal, nuclear-armed, imperialist, blood-soaked military alliance called NATO. Yes I know that the Green Party in Germany (as well as the party in the Irish state) have capitulated on their core principles. This is so as to have power . . . . . or rather not have power (because power really is in the hands of certain social and economic vested interests) but to hold office.

    The gradual move to the political centre by (practically) every strand of political thought since the end of the Soviet Union has contributed largely to the growth of cynicism. It's also created a vacuum filled by radical elements on the Right and on the Left. John and Jane Public think "what's the point in voting?! They're all the same."

    And they are! The political parties are merely just different management teams for administering the state. The Green Party in Germany are to the Left of the Establishment but they are still part of the Establishment. They have been reduced to the role of ensuring that government activity takes into account environmental consequences.

    Even in that role, the Green Party no longer are uniquely distinguished. Concern about human impact on our surroundings (or to use another word the "environment") is mainstream now. Well, this is the case in Europe anyway. The US just puzzles me, it really does (its like that mad family in the estate, every street has one. Thinking about them, ya don’t know whether to laugh or feel sad). Concern about human impact on the environment is not just mainstream; it’s just taken for granted. Most bodies (public and private) factor in an environmental dimension to their actions (many just for "show").

    The reasons why the political environmental movement came into being in the first place haven't been dealt with, and won't be if the party program have been "amended" to make the German Green party more amenable to the 1%. The individuals who are credited with inspiring the international Green political movement were all opposed to militarism
    - Fritz Schumacher
    - Rachel Carson
    - Paul Ehrlich
    - John McConnell
    - Ralph Nader
    - Hartmut Gründler
    - Gerhard Thielcke
    - Luud Schimmelpennink

    (While I’m in this ‘neck of the woods’ of listing progenitors of Green politics, it would be remiss of me not to point out our very own pioneering environmentalists in the Emerald Isle:
    - Vincent McDowell
    - Roger Garland
    - Uinseann MacEoin
    - Chris Fettes
    - Roy Johnston
    And many others in that first generation of the Irish Green party who received neither profit nor popularity)

    Cohn-Bendit an example of getting with the (new party) program
    Daniel Cohn-Bendit is a good example of this capitulation. He started out in the 1960’s as a radical socialist and ends his political career as an administrator for an elitist, anti-democratic, virulently anti-socialist club for Multi-National Corporations. From actively subverting the bourgeois, capitalist system in France (De Gaulle fled the country in the 1968 revolt), Cohn-Bendit these days is arguing in favour or a “strong, militarised European Superstate that will be the rival on the world stage with the US”.

    He is such a darling of the elites of the EU that nothing is made of his past condoning of Pederasty (which is a fancy word for child abuse). And woe betide anyone who brings this up. At the very least you’re labelled an anti-Semite!
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    Is Merkel still doing as much damage to Europe as she possibly can ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Justinian View Post
    German parliamentary democracy isn't in crisis though. It really is not. They're in a situation they haven't been in before . . . . . . . .
    I’m sorry, I couldn’t hear what you were saying above the loud echoing whisper on the wind.

    It went something like “. . . . remember the death of Weimar. . . remember the death of Weimar . . . .”
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    Quote Originally Posted by O'Quisling View Post
    I’m sorry, I couldn’t hear what you were saying above the loud echoing whisper on the wind.

    It went something like “. . . . remember the death of Weimar. . . remember the death of Weimar . . . .”
    No, that's not a whisper on the wind. That's the screaming and screeching of the woefully ignorant. Perhaps even of those who consciously or not want to project the dysfunction in their own political systems onto the German system. There's no agreed upon coalition yet. So. What. The German Constitution still provides for what must be done. Other countries have gone through far, far longer periods of time with only a caretaker government and have done just fine. Their democracies were not declared to be in crisis, their democracies did not fall.

    No amount of screeching about German democracy being in crisis will actually make it so. As the president of the Bundestag pointed out: "Es ist eine Bewährungsprobe, aber keine Staatskrise." If you spoke German you could actually see that it's a view essentially reflected in the coverage of the matter.
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    The breakdown of the coalition talks between the CDU, Greens and FDP has clearly damaged the FDP.

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    SPD congress approved talks with CDU/CSU.
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