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    Quote Originally Posted by Halo View Post
    Great democracy, great people ' my girfriend is Venezuelan and she voted for caprilles!!!! ' and once again the Venezuelan people have came out in force for hugo chavez.

    We hope again that democracy is respected unlike the last time

    The Revolution Will Not Be Televised (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    It is an excellent documentary (direct link to documentary pasted below) if you're interested in south American politics in the 20th/21st century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cathalbrugha View Post
    There's no comparison between Bertie and Chavez. 50% of people were living in poverty in Venezuela and they've reduced that figure to 21%. A lot's been done a lot more has to be done, but by anyones standards that is some achievement. Here's the best link I could find for you...

    The President of Venezuela’s National Institute of Statistics (INE), Elias Eljuri, announced a new socio-economic assessment of Venezuela over the last 12 years, according to which extreme poverty has been reduced from 21 percent in 1999 to 7.3 percent in 2011.

    “It doesn’t mean that we have overcome poverty, but it has been greatly reduced,” Eljuri said during a television interview broadcast by the state-run Venezolana de Television.

    According to INE figures, the number of poor households in Venezuela went from 49 to 21.4 percent, which represents a reduction of over 50 percent. Today, there are still 2.5 million people living in poverty.
    My point is they're both populists funneling wealth into specific areas in a contrived attempt at re-election at the expense of the prosperity of the nation.
    Poverty has definitely been reduced under Chavez but the level of reduction is dubious, he's playing the stats giving cash hand outs to the impoverished to get them just above the poverty line but that's totally unsustainable once the oil runs out they're goosed again.

    Yeah great use the oil money for the benefit of the people but he's not reinvesting that money for the benefit of all Venezuelans.

    Under Chavez Venezuela has become one of the most violent places on earth, they have to ration petrol despite owning one of the largest oil reserves, there are food shortages, there are shortages of other basics, their currency is worth a fifth of what it was 14 years ago, inflation runs at 30%, it's considered to be one of the least competitive places to do business and it's definitely not as politically free as some posters here seem to think

    From the New York Times
    Venezuelans Resist Order to Turn Over Voter Names
    By WILLIAM NEUMAN
    Published: February 15, 2012
    CARACAS, Venezuela — A furor has erupted in Venezuela over voter secrecy in an opposition primary election held on Sunday to choose a candidate to run against President Hugo Chávez, with political leaders expressing fear that the government might seek reprisals against voters if their names are publicized.

    The nation’s highest court on Tuesday ordered the opposition coalition that organized the primary to turn over to the government records containing the names of the more than three million people who participated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papillon View Post
    My point is they're both populists funneling wealth into specific areas in a contrived attempt at re-election at the expense of the prosperity of the nation.
    Poverty has definitely been reduced under Chavez but the level of reduction is dubious, he's playing the stats giving cash hand outs to the impoverished to get them just above the poverty line but that's totally unsustainable once the oil runs out they're goosed again.

    Yeah great use the oil money for the benefit of the people but he's not reinvesting that money for the benefit of all Venezuelans.

    Under Chavez Venezuela has become one of the most violent places on earth, they have to ration petrol despite owning one of the largest oil reserves, there are food shortages, there are shortages of other basics, their currency is worth a fifth of what it was 14 years ago, inflation runs at 30%, it's considered to be one of the least competitive places to do business and it's definitely not as politically free as some posters here seem to think

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    Well I'll admit there is a bit of logic behind the seanfhocail that says 'Soldiers should never become politicans'. But all said and done I fail to see any comparison between Berty and Chavez. Chavez has managed to achieve an awful lot in a short period of time. He wasn't re-elected for no reason. One difference between their attitude to 'poverty' is that Venezuelans are actually acknowledging that there's still a lot of poverty. Under Berts reign the gap between the rich and the poor in Ireland increased dramatically. We produced 30,000 millionaires and created a monstous 'wannabe middle-class' who've belatedly discovered that they aren't quite middle-class at all, and are in fact fukked from a height because of people like Berty. The suicide rates/drug deaths alone during the Celtic Tiger would indicate that things progressed in a negative way for the 'working class' during the Celtic Tiger. An average of approximately 500 white 15-25 year-old males from county council estates committed suicide almost every year during the 1990s. A figure which was maintained all through the Celtic Tiger years. The Heroin epidemic of the 1980s/1990s could have been tackled but became a tea-party in comparison to what followed in the '00s. Yet no one can answer a simple question. Why do so many working class kids 'choose' to take the greatest painkiller known to man? What's worse is that Fianna Fáilers deliberately lied about the extent of the homeless crisis in the early 00s, and Labour-Fine Gael continue where they left off in regards to producing an official government report into the deaths of almost 10,000 white working class males over the course of the last two decades. Until they acknowledge that these deaths took place nothing will change. Business as usual. Fine Gael politicans are sitting on the Board of Directors of Irelands 'leading' suicide prevention quango, and therefore they know full well the extent of the problem. Effectively what they are doing is nuetralizing any alternative community resistance initiatives by doing so.
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    "Chávez es el pueblo" all you need to know really as to why he won
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    I suppose it is now time that Venezuela got added to the axis of evil.

    Bring in "regime change", "dumbocracy", "oliganarchy", and a pointless two party system, etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Analyzer View Post
    I suppose it is now time that Venezuela got added to the axis of evil.

    Bring in "regime change", "dumbocracy", "oliganarchy", and a pointless two party system, etc...

    Yes, we can't have a man who uses the vast profits from oil to educate, to provide health care and to help the poor in other countries as well as his own! Why, look at the magnificent military forces he could build and 'we' would be happy to sell him any arms or munitions he wanted. 'We' could also give his forces a role in our wars 'for democracy' around the globe' where he could send his poor to fight and kill other poor people.
    This idea of spending money on the poor of society and on things like free heath care and education must be stopped before it becomes too popular, harrumph.
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    Chavez won in 20 of 24 states. Once again, the western media has been shown up for what they are- liars.

    Did anyone read the article about him in Time? One of the most biased pieces of "reporting" I ever did see!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Protestant/Catholic=Irish View Post
    Chavez won in 20 of 24 states. Once again, the western media has been shown up for what they are- liars.

    Did anyone read the article about him in Time? One of the most biased pieces of "reporting" I ever did see!
    you obviously haven't read the Enda as saviour of Europe piece then....
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    Congratulations to the Venezualan people on their choice of President.



    VIVA CHAVEZ!
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