Article 27 & Referendum On Fiscal Pact

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Article 27

This Article applies to any Bill, other than a Bill expressed to be a Bill containing a proposal for the amendment of this Constitution, which shall have been deemed, by virtue of Article 23 hereof, to have been passed by both Houses of the Oireachtas.
1. A majority of the members of Seanad Éireann and not less than one-third of the members of Dáil Éireann may by a joint petition addressed to the President by them under this Article request the President to decline to sign and promulgate as a law any Bill to which this article applies on the ground that the Bill contains a proposal of such national importance that the will of the people thereon ought to be ascertained.

I notice from this wording, that the 56 TDs and 31 Senators can REQUEST the President to decline to sign such a Bill. Does that mean the President has to accede to them or not?

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Article 27



I notice from this wording, that the 56 TDs and 31 Senators can REQUEST the President to decline to sign such a Bill. Does that mean the President has to accede to them or not?

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4. 1° Upon receipt of a petition addressed to him under this Article, the President shall forthwith consider such petition and shall, after consultation with the Council of State, pronounce his decision thereon not later than ten days after the date on which the Bill to which such petition relates shall have been deemed to have been passed by both Houses of the Oireachtas.

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lmgtfy

Sorry, that's one bit of internet-speak I just don't get!

4. 1° Upon receipt of a petition addressed to him under this Article, the President shall forthwith consider such petition and shall, after consultation with the Council of State, pronounce his decision thereon not later than ten days after the date on which the Bill to which such petition relates shall have been deemed to have been passed by both Houses of the Oireachtas.

Thanks, by the look of that the President is not obliged to accede to any such request. He has to "consider" it, but that's all.

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But..........they did! Daly launched this two days ago. It's Pringle that's jumping on the bandwagon TODAY trying to claim it for himself.

Genuine request.
Link please.

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Are you suggesting that because FF fupped up that they have somehow lost the right to do the right thing, forever?

Are we talking about a party that despite massive unpopularity hung on in government right up to the moment when they were ruling out their chances of being in government in Easter 1916?

[Rufty]

Genuine request.
Link please.

See my original post in this thread for the link. Daly (on January 30th) calling on senator is the Seanad chamber to back an attempt at pushing Art. 27 (although the Examiner has a typo in the article and says article 21). Pringle made his press statement on February 1st, two days later. Martin subsequently confirmed Fianna Fáils support when he came out then and said this:
FF and Sinn Féin issue calls for referendum on treaty - The Irish Times - Wed, Feb 01, 2012

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But..........they did! Daly launched this two days ago. It's Pringle that's jumping on the bandwagon TODAY trying to claim it for himself.

I thought Daly merely proposed it..............if it was a serious effort to have a referendum which could scupper basic FF European policy surely Martin was the man to propose it?

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See my original post in this thread for the link. Daly (on January 30th) calling on senator is the Seanad chamber to back an attempt at pushing Art. 27 (although the Examiner has a typo in the article and says article 21). Pringle made his press statement on February 1st, two days later. Martin subsequently confirmed Fianna Fáils support when he came out then and said this:
FF and Sinn Féin issue calls for referendum on treaty - The Irish Times - Wed, Feb 01, 2012

You do see the difference between calling for a course of action and initiating a defined strategy to bring such action about?

[TropicalCandy]

I assume with FF's announcement yesterday any chance of using this route is gone?