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    blacbloc blacbloc is offline
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    FG/Labour have lost the next general election if Gallagher wins.

    Fianna Fáil were history, right? It would take them at least two decades to stage a come-back if such a thing was even possible at all.

    How premature all of that seems now. Here we are just a few short months after what appeared to be political annihilation for Fianna Fail and the ugly beast is roaring to life again. Let's face it Gallagher is the Fianna Fail candidate. Everything about hims says so including the dubious deals and all the rest of the usual Fianna Fail business and political paraphernalia that hangs about him. And the Irish electorate is once again showing its indifference to integrity in favour of the superficial. A lightweight television celebrity who is obviosly not coming clean about his political afiliations appears to be what many of our fellow citizens regard as an appropriate person to be President.

    Bertie Ahern must be hopping mad that he didn't have a go after all - looks like it would have been a shoe-in.

    The moritification of Fine Gael and Labour will be complete if Gallagher is elected. Fine Gaelers who want to avoid that have no choice but to vote for Michael D to ensure that a government candidate is in the Áras. They will have to give him their first preferences. Fianna Fail will have been rehabilitated if Gallagher wins. There will be no problem for all of those voters to put a tick beside a Fianna Failer's name come the general election if they can do it now for the Presidency. The precdent will have been set. Most people have already concluded that there is no difference between FG/Labour and Fianna Fail anyway.

    Time to get real, folks. You know what you have to do to save us from the folly of a Gallagher presidency.
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    And the award for silliest thread of the week goes to.................
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    Quote Originally Posted by enby View Post
    And the award for silliest thread of the week goes to.................
    I fear more contenders before Thursday as the FG and Labour hacks get increasing hostile to the electorate not doing their bidding.
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    Presidential elections have no direct relationship to GEs.
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    I don't believe the Presidential eleection is any guide to the strength of the parties now or at the next GE.

    Win or lose, MDH has done well.

    Mitchell appears to be doing badly, but he was not the choice of the leadership in FG.
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    What are the odds of Sean Gallagher being the next Taoiseach?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekinghasnoclothes View Post
    What are the odds of Sean Gallagher being the next Taoiseach?
    Would he run under the FF banner?
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    If FG/Labour have lost the next general election, can you please explain who has won the next general election?

    I have a betting account that could do with some long-run exposure to a certainty.
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    There is the small matter of a bye-election on the same day, where FF are defending their seat, in the context that a government hasn't won a bye since 1982.

    If FF go backward on their general election vote, they will have no Dublin TD. Thats hardly progress.
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    There is no comparison between voting trends in a Presidential Election and those of a General Election.

    So, party politics will resume as normal - just keep a close eye on the Dublin west by-election this Thursday. FF have no chance of retaining the late Brian Lenihan's seat and the local party appartus admitted as much.

    FG made a mess of its Presidential Campaign. But the muck quickly became a morass when Enda Kenny's favoured candidate, Pat Cox, was beaten in a Party vote by Gay Mitchell. And Mitchell's advisors decided to focus the initial two weeks of campaigning on Martin MCGuinnes and his IRA links. It would have been an acceptable strategy for the first few days, but Gay and his backroom team decided to keep hammering at MmcG which, might have influenced floating voters NOT to vote McG, but it also persuaded FGs and others NOT to vote for Mitchell. Gay may be a veteran politician, but his reputation doesn't exceed beyond Dublin and parts of Leinster.
    Dana, Davis and Norris hit the self-destruct button, leaving Sean Gallagher and Michael D the lone raiders.
    It was only in the past week that the media and Micahel D's advisors decided to have a lash at Gallagher. Methinks, too little too late.

    It will be the personality and not the party who will influence voters on Thursday.
    But keep an eye on Dublin West if you want to see if there has been a Lazarus like recovery in FF.
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