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About LinkBacksWhat I meant by my original question was, would the Irish people vote for mass immigration or not. I think 80% in the last vote on a similar issue voted NO.
What I meant by my original question was, would the Irish people vote for mass immigration or not. I think 80% in the last vote on a similar issue voted NO.
No, 80% voted to change our citizenship rules.
and how do you define [size=7]MASS [/size]immigration?
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Perhaps its all them cathilicks turning up here from Poland, just when we'd got rid of our own mass going habits.
80% of people oppose reintroduction of mass to sunday mornings through overseas influence.
I believe we have a candidate in Dublin South Central standing on this platform - we get all the weirdos ;-)
The rest of your post is fairly coherent.
There are legitimate and reasonable grounds to control immigration.
But there are posters on this site that make it sound as if some kid of megapsunami is about to overwhelm us.
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There are around 700,000 foreigners in this country out of a population of 4,550,000; that's 15.4%. By contrast Britain's figure for ethnic minorities is 13% of its population, made up of 1st, 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants over a course of 50 years. We have reached 15.4% of the population in 8 years with 1st generation immigrants.
If we have net immigration of 100,000 per annum over the next 4 years to the end of 2010 (on a gross annual immigration rate of 200,000 currently) then 21.4% of our population will consist of foreigners by the end of 2010 [700,000 plus 400,000 plus 200,000 natural increase in Irish divided by the total population of 5,150,000 by the end of 2010 and multiplied by 100].
If for some reason net migration halves over the coming 4 years then by the end of 2010 18.2% of the population will consist of foreigners.
By the end of 2010 we can expect somewhere in the region of 100,000 - 200,000 foreigners will have immigrated into the north in total. Therefore by the end of 2010 we can expect 14.6% - 18.2% of the entire population of the island to consist of 1st generation immigrants. This means that between unionists and new immigrants, 28% - 32% of the population of the island will describe themselves as 'non-Irish' in the Irish nationalist or celtic sense by the end of 2010. With continuing net migration and the beginning of a second generation of immigrants that figure will increase by 2016.
Perhaps I've missed it, but where's the 15.4% figure come from?
It's not that PPSN rubbish again, is it?
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Do not bore me with your negativity. And do not be facile. Read the quote above, it explains where I get the figures and I have outlined at length elsewhere what figures are available and what numbers are realistic. The percentages I have given here are based upon net migration of 100,000 and 50,000 per annum on a gross emigration rate of 200,000 per annum. The official CSO rate of net migration is 70,000 per annum, so my figures are 30,000 above and 20,000 below per annum respectively.Originally Posted by Pidge
The figures I have given are realistic. If you think inquiries into PPS numbers and their relation to migration flows are 'rubbish' then you are free to believe that font of all things truthful, the Fianna Fáil government. Or the CSO, who would have you believe that 130,000 people are leaving each year after arriving to work, who use highly resticted sources for gathering their data, who are unable to explain their data adequately and who have given no figures at all that I am aware of for estimates of illegal migration.
No, it doesn't.Do not bore me with your negativity. And do not be facile. Read the quote above, it explains where I get the figures
It doesn't follow that I because I don't believe you that I don't believe the CSO. Your method of estimation with PPSN is rubbish - for the simple reason that you've never engaged with - it doesn't measure outflow.
There is a box, with a hole (of unknown size) in the base. I put five apples in the box. How many apples are now in the box?
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It is incredible the silence over the issue which is only storing up trouble for the future.
